I recall hearing an audio from one of Ray Franz's associates , a Chris Sanches who had been involved in the original translation of The NWT into Spanish.. He maintained that the forward contained "a lie" , when it said this Bible has been translated from the original languages. In fact it was taken from the English NWT of the time.
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New World Translation - Variants
by Wonderment innew world translation - variantstentative translations below.
you native language experts can probably do better than me.
if so, help yourself.. matthew 24.3, english edition: “what will be the sign of... the conclusion of the system of things?”french, 1987: “quel sera le signe de… la conclusion du système de choses” (...the system of things)french revised: “quel sera le signe de… la période finale du monde?” (…the final period of the world)german revised: “und den abschluss des weltsystems erkennen?” (the conclusion of the world system)spanish revised: “qué señal habrá... de la conclusión del sistema?” (…conclusion of the system)matthew 24.45, "the faithful and discreet slave":italian revised: “lo schiavo fedele e saggio” = “the faithful and wise slave”portuguese revised: “o escravo fiel e prudente” = “the faithful and prudent slave”spanish revised, “el esclavo fiel y prudente” = “the faithful and prudent slave”matthew 25.46,(english edition), “cutting-off” contrasted with “everlasting life” in the same verse.
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Don't count on witnessing Watchtower's demise anytime soon.
by Roger Kirkpatrick inthe fact that there are pomi ex-jws who have been disfellowshiped or inactive for years who still live in constant fear of armageddon indicates that watchtower will manage to exist in one way or another for years, if not decades, to come.
watchtower, like all other religious cults, operate on the premise that "you can fool some of the people all of the time...and that's enough!
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BluesBrother
The thread title said " anytime soon" ....that is the key. I suspect they can reinvent doctrine to explain why Armageddon is perpetually "soon" . Their lawyers and accountants can keep the business side going gor some years to come.
Eventually, I am sure it will wind up. Surely the years of big growth are over but there are 8 million devout dubs who dont want to know the truth about "the truth"
Eventually, though as Gamaliel said, it will wind up since it is NOT from God ( Acts chapt.5)
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Saw a post on reddit...
by Biahi inmany exjw’s don’t remember their birthdays or birthdates, some actually guess and are off by a year or two.
i’m always proud to say my age, and i’m a woman, here’s why.
i thought i would be dead in 1975. i turned 16 in 1975, and i thought god would kill me because he knew i hated being a jw, even though i hated it, i thought it was ‘da troof’.
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Back in the day, I called at the bank to deliver a form that my wife had completed. Unfortunately she had neglected to write in her date of birth.
The bank clerk asked me , "what is your wife's date of birth?" ..... As non birthday keeping Witnesses, I had to admit I did not know..
"Fancy not knowing your wife's birthday" she tutted !
I did learn it after that.
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Publisher numbers versus baptised witnesses.
by amandm ini grew up as a witness, and left about 10 years ago, i'm currently researching witness numbers for a project i'm working on, and i can't seem to get an accurate number of baptised witnesses - hardly a surprise!
from their website it looks like they list the number of publishers instead of the number of baptised witnesses, so it totally works to obscure how many actual witnesses there are, apart from the fact it's morally dubious to class a publisher as a minister of god as they refer to publishers on their uk section of the site.
i also am trying to work out how many leave every year, even approximate figures would be great, from their own website it just looks like they try to massage figures to make them look as favourable as possible.
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If they counted all the baptized, I and most others on here would be included. At least as it is, six months after stop reporting you are not counted and generally slip off the radar
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First visit to Kingdom Hall turned out to be a nightmare!
by Atlantis ina first time visit to a kingdom hall turned out to be a nightmare for this young lady.. .
https://www.azfamily.com/news/man-accused-of-sexually-assaulting-teen-girl-outside-glendale-church/article_2fe560c0-c36b-11e9-997b-fb25195e2ed1.html .
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Poor kid!
Around here the car parks are monitored.....I always thought that was going over the top with security.......
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I genuinely burst out laughing.................
by The Fall Guy in...when i read a reply to an email which i sent to a devout couple of jw's, showing the luxurious accommodation which "vows of poverty" jw's have been living in.. https://ibsaproperty.com.
the reply began by apologising for their "bad french.
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I was told some time ago that one of the advantages of the Chelmsford project was that it would allow the sale of several buildings that were then used for residences off the site of the old Bethel. Judging by the postcodes they are all in spitting distance of the old site.
It is a lot of money but that is what property costs in that part of the world. I would accept it if we were told that they have been done up for sale.
That is how they will pay for a super new UK base at Chelmsford.
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1914 Was Originally Just 40 Years Past the End Date of 1874, That's All it Was!
by OnTheWayOut inyou don't need to understand complicated ways to go from 607bce to 1914ce.
you don't have to go back to the late 1700's to understand the founding of jehovah's witnesses on the back of william miller's teachings.
you just need to know that watchtower math and past doctrines along with changes in teachings are all based on lies.
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OTWO said
"You can find anything if you work backwards. It's like writing a Sherlock Holmes story. Just work backwards from what a great detective would expect to find and make him look like a genius in discovering those things."
Thats so true, but it can sound so convincing if you are wanting to believe, or have been brought up in it and don't know better
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Conversation with founder of avoidJW.org
by Xjw csaSurvivors inhttps://youtu.be/poaczsrvh6g.
video description :.
published on 19 aug 2019. this was ment to be a interviuw with uber apostate jason wynne about our activism.
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Change of direction in this thread but since it is the same poster, we'll forgive him.
Voting..... No doubt the Watchtower would deny expelling those who vote, and technically this is true since it is sin that merits dissassocian, not d/fing. What is the difference?
None whatever, one is still shunned ,it is semantics. They will say that by your actions you showed that you had left
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What would happen to your country if you could exchange your president for Trump?
by Wonderment inwhat if we could exchange one president from another country to yours?...
say trump for trudeau, trudeau for trump, trump in exchange for your respective european country, etc -- for a few years?
would you consider it a win or a loss for your country?.
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Nothing personal on my part, I generally avoid threads on American politics. But ,
I am sure most Brits would be horrified at the idea of Mr Trump in charge of this country.
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A warm welcome to the many newbies who have joined and posted these past months .
by smiddy3 init is truly heartwarming to see so many new ones sign up to this site as most of us know it can be quite stressful at first ,because of the indoctrination we have all gone through in going on apostate sites .. the guilt ,paranoia ,fear , apprehension ,even being a judas fear, all unnatural fears put on us by a mind controlling cult.. that wants us to be captives of there religious interpretations about the bible.. however this and other sites like it are the only way we can find out about {the truth about the truth} ttatt.. welcome everybody..
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BluesBrother
Welcome to all newbies and curious lurkers , the open minded , the doubting dubs, the "Bible Studies " of Witnesses who want to check it out....... in short anybody who ventures onto this site. Stay around.