Posts by BluesBrother

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Website for U K Indipendant Inquiry Into Child Abuse

by BluesBrother in

this inquiry is to consider organizations such as jehovah's witnesses, next month.. here is a link to their site.. www.iicsa.org.uk.

they are open to hearing from whistleblowers with geniune information and survivors who may not have previously come forward......

BluesBrother

This Inquiry is to consider organizations such as Jehovah's Witnesses, next month.

Here is a link to their site.

www.iicsa.org.uk

They are open to hearing from whistleblowers with geniune information and survivors who may not have previously come forward.....

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The Watchtower—Study Edition | August 2020

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

the watchtower—study edition | august 2020 .

study article 33. the resurrection reveals god’s love, wisdom, and patience.

8 for a number of reasons, we can assume that those greeting resurrected individuals will be able to recognize their loved ones.

BluesBrother

As is quoted from the article:

"it seems that Jehovah will re-create people "

So, the resurrected have to be re created. In that case they are not the same people. Just new people that look like someone who lived before, are implanted with their memories. ..but it is not them.

Without a belief in a human soul this doctrine falls down. E.g.

If I were to back up all the files and stuff on my PC, then dump it and buy a new model ....I could have all the info loaded on the new one. I would then have a new computerthat " knew" everything my old one did . It may do everything my old one did, but would it be the same computer? No.

Perhaps I am missing the point but since "waking up" to things this doctrine has not made sense.....

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BBC Sunday Morning on Jehovah's Witnesses

by Newly Enlightened in

in august the jehovah’s witnesses will give evidence to the independent inquiry into child sex abuse.

submissions will also be heard from survivors who have criticised the church’s handling of abuse allegations.

their appearance comes as campaigners around the world are questioning why the religion is restructuring the organisation and selling off substantial amounts of property.

BluesBrother

Thanks for the information. .. I was able to listen to it now on the BBC website link. Even living in Britain I was not aware of this programme. I wonder what audience they get on Radio 4 ?

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Watchtower Sudy 12 July.the Kings of North & South (from 05/20 issue)

by BluesBrother in

it is a challenge next sunday for them .

due to starting the convention programme the wt study will be a 30 minute run through ,and deals with this prophecy ... i doubt the younger ones are familiar with it at all bur oldies could debate it at length .we on the look out for the king of the north to enter "the land of decoration" (more to follow,maybe next week).

this article makes a grand claim in par 2.

BluesBrother

It is a challenge Next Sunday for them . Due to starting the Convention Programme the WT study will be a 30 minute run through ,and deals with this prophecy ... I doubt the younger ones are familiar with it at all bur oldies could debate it at length .We on the look out for the King of the North to enter "the land of decoration" (more to follow,maybe next week)

This article makes a grand claim in par 2

"And even though God’s servants make up only a small portion of the world’s population, they are often at the center of major world events. Why? Because Satan and his entire system have one prime objective—conquering those who serve Jehovah and Jesus."

At the centre ? No Christians were involved when Ghengis Khan tore across Asia in the Middle Ages. I am sure you can think of other examples.

The next few paragraphs identify the King of the South in the 20th/21st century. . that is declared to be the Anglo American dual World Power

Now it is true that during the World Wars they formed alliances (including Russia in WW2) and we sometimes hear of a "special relationship" . However, that relationship has proved thin in recent times and I suggest that both Nations would be annoyed to be considered sharing power. The British Government turned towards Europe in recent decades and certainly does not consider itself a junior party in a U S A led world power.

So I contend this power does not exist !

So who has played the role of the opposing King of the North? it is not hard to work out. In WW2 of course Nazi Germany gets the title. After that the identity shifts to the Soviet Powers who engaged in pushing" with the King of the South.

Interesting in Para 17

"The king of the north has supported the king of the south in one key endeavor; they “put in place the disgusting thing that causes desolation.” (Dan. 11:31) That “disgusting thing” is the United Nations."

It used to be said this was when the King of South set up the League of Nations in 1919.Have they realised that America never actually joined that League?

The article finishes with the question, who is the King of the North now?

Sssh... I will spill the beans, since I am not writing all this again next week.

it is.... RUSSIA !

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J.W's and " but that is Pagan !".

by Phizzy in

there have been a number of threads touching on this before, leolaia for one, back in the day when we had many an erudite poster, showed the pagan origins of many things, including the passover , and by extension, the jw " memorial".. what prompted my thought on this was a conversation i had the other day with a young lady, never a jw, who said the jw stance on birthday celebrations, was groundless and cruel.. i thought later that jw's do a " pick and mix " as usual, as they do with so many other things, on what they condemn as "pagan" and what they accept and practice.. the institution of marriage itself is pagan, marriages were performed long before the bible was written, and long before the nation of israel was formed.

yet jw's perform marriages, use the veil, and the ring, all pagan.

the names of the days of the week, the months of the year, all pagan.. i guess you guys can think of many more things ?

BluesBrother

Davros got me thinking about this. Here is a link to the discussion of the “ Calendar Of Jehovah God” which was to replace the Devil’s Calendar
https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/6027819985403904/calendar-jehovah-god-historical-tidbit

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J.W's and " but that is Pagan !".

by Phizzy in

there have been a number of threads touching on this before, leolaia for one, back in the day when we had many an erudite poster, showed the pagan origins of many things, including the passover , and by extension, the jw " memorial".. what prompted my thought on this was a conversation i had the other day with a young lady, never a jw, who said the jw stance on birthday celebrations, was groundless and cruel.. i thought later that jw's do a " pick and mix " as usual, as they do with so many other things, on what they condemn as "pagan" and what they accept and practice.. the institution of marriage itself is pagan, marriages were performed long before the bible was written, and long before the nation of israel was formed.

yet jw's perform marriages, use the veil, and the ring, all pagan.

the names of the days of the week, the months of the year, all pagan.. i guess you guys can think of many more things ?

BluesBrother

"back in the day when we had many an erudite Poster"

Well said Phizzy. They are gone but not forgotten. ..Anyway....

Pagan roots. Yes, back in history everything was tied in to the beliefs of religion, so things of old probably had some pagan connection. Eg.

Wedding rings

The days of the week named after gods.

The months of the year too

Many great works of art, commissioned by "Babylon the Great" have " pagan" symbole., haloes ,crosses and things. Some depict scenes from ancient mythology.

Old songs may have origins in gospel , therefore false religion.

Do you remember the issue of the Mexican pinata which originated in something... The WTS said that since it had long lost any religious meaning, it was o k to have them. Pity they dont apply tbat thinking to other things.

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Watchtower Greek where the mumbo meets the jumbo

by Terry in

jw
friends

take a look at this photo of a now long extinct publication!ain't she a beauty?.

around 1976 i got the wild idea i'd like to learn greek.

gosh - just look at the gorgeous purple book up there!

BluesBrother

It was released at a time when the Society had pretentions of being a Bible Study organization. Thia was 1969 at the week long Convention. I can remember Bro Knorr saying tbat we could use the volume in our ztudy and have " Fine Bible discussions"

Times have changed...

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Hiram built Solomon's temple.

by peacefulpete in

other threads recently touched upon the temple description in the ot.

i've made comments to the effect that the temple designs mirrors that of other cults of the region.

additionally i wondered if the temple ever existed in the 8th-9th century at all, given the lack of archaeological evidence for it and the mythical characters and obvious embellishments in the story of it's construction.

BluesBrother

Once again I start reading a thread before realising how old it is...There are some seriously missed members on here , Gumby and Leolaia in particular. I am glad that you are still around Pete to write these interesting things.

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Watchtower Greek where the mumbo meets the jumbo

by Terry in

jw
friends

take a look at this photo of a now long extinct publication!ain't she a beauty?.

around 1976 i got the wild idea i'd like to learn greek.

gosh - just look at the gorgeous purple book up there!