Posts by BluesBrother

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Interesting Find with Chronology

by Kelley959 in

i hope this is in the right area.

i've been studying the 2520 days/years 607/587/586 debacle.

for a while now i have felt 1914 was wrong.

BluesBrother

If you enjoy debates, this thread is a great one. We used to have regular long threads on this subject.... I thought those posters had all moved on.

Personally, these mathematical speculations “ do my head in “ but by all means carry on if you wish. My take on 607- 1914 is simply this..

The vast majority of respected archaeologists accept 587 bce as the date . And it is archaeology that has to be used.

The year 1914 was 107 years ago and we still await the kingdom...that is untenable and must be wrong

The whole thing came from the Adventist’s . The WT has repudiated all the rest of their teaching, why not that?

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Birthdays

by Mufasa in

i have an honest question, so i hope someone will explain this to me to the best of their ability.

i'm fascinated with learning about religion!

and i've been looking for a place to ask this, believe me it wasn't an easy find.

The basic answer is that the JWs are obedient to the Governing Body who have decided that such celebration is "displeasing to Jehovah" They will say that anytime they are mentioned in the Bible ir is in a bad light. E g. HEROD when Salome danced for the Head of John the Baptist.

There is no specific Biblical verse that says not to do it. The history of their belief goes back to the past President of the movement JF Rutherford who has a record of laying down rules based on his opinions. There is a lot to discuss about him should you wish.

To the rational outsider it makes no sense at all

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2021 Lapel Cards!

by Atlantis in

jw
friends

this should work.

i don't know how long the link will be active.. .

https://documentcloud.adobe.com/link/review?uri=urn:aaid:scds:us:8f3da700-8e37-4e57-904a-56912cf53407.

BluesBrother

Well, I really do not know what kind of person would make up , or obtain a badge for a convention that they will sit and watch in bits at home.

Do you wear the badge in your best meeting clothes, and with all the family so adorned, ? Do you prepare a packed lunch and drinks , open the windows to get that outdoor feel while gathering round the laptop .....so as to pretend you are at stadium?

I guess you would have to wait for a song break to dash to the loo?

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Have I made it?

by zachias in

jw
friends

hi all,.

i have attempted 're-entry' having lost access some months ago.. i was of the name zeb.. wish me the best please.

BluesBrother

Good to see you back Zeb...keep posting

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Degree of Effectiveness of JW Letter Writing Form of Witnessing

by Disillusioned JW in

a newspaper article quotes a jw as saying "every (letter) i put in the mailbox, i feel, 'ah, this could reach somebody.

'" the article also quotes her as saying "we are accomplishing even more now than we were door-to-door because this way everybody in the house gets a chance to pick up that letter and respond to it.

it just feels good.

BluesBrother

The purpose of it is not primarily to make disciples, it is to count time. If it were to really reach people they would have people use their computers and home printers to churn out letters by the dozen and have them all sent.

Insread they laboriously hand write them so as to count time. After all, as my wife has been reminded just 15 minutes can be counted per month now.

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1969 "fact": You will never grow old in this present system of things

by Ding in

awake!

"if you are a young person, you also need to face the fact that you will never grow old in this present system of things.

because all the evidence in fulfillment of bible prophecy indicates that this corrupt system is due to end in a few years... therefore, as a young person, you will never fulfill any career that this system offers.

BluesBrother

This quote can still be found on "Watchtower On Line" , their official library.

"Shortly, within our twentieth century, the "battle in the day of Jehovah" will begin against the modern antitype of Jerusalem, Christendom."

The Nations Shall Know That I Am Jehovah p.216

(1971)

Actually, back in the early seventies that did not seem a remarkable thing to say. We were so keyed up that we were talking of months, not years, to Armageddon. .....

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Watchtower takes parody poster to court.

by Lost in the fog in

another youtube presenter falls foul of the wt society's legal team.

the watch tower copyright lawsuit targets creator of "dubtown" lego animations.

https://www.toptutorials.co.uk/watch-tower-copyright-lawsuit-targets-creator-of-dubtown-lego-animations-torrentfreak/.

BluesBrother

"I often wonder about the WT goons whose job it is to actually view this kind of content , trawling Youtube to find examples of transgressions. Are they so far conditioned that they can just view it without in any way being affected or waking up?"

Yes they are. Back in the day, I knew of a retired Circuit Overseer then pretty old whose job at Bethel was to sit and read newspapers and report back anything of interest . I bet nowadas they search Youtube and other sites. These oldies are unreachable.

This action really does seem petty.Those Lego videos are gently satirical not nasty . The "fair use" of copyright material seems to be a grey area. Perhaps this is a test case?

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Ah, Jonah. 3 day air supply explained ?Whale sharks gulp down air to float vertically while feeding

by waton in

here from new scientist magazine: .

whale sharks gulp down air to float vertically while feeding.

life 12 may 2021by christa lesté-lasserre.

BluesBrother

“Jesus referenced the Jonah Story , so the Gospels say, but did he view it as Literal and full of facts ? I doubt it.”

Have to agree here. Eg. I could say that “ I feel outraged at injustice, just like Hamlet” ...... but would that mean that I believe the story of Hamlet to be true? No, just that he is a figure from a story so well known that it illustrates my point perfectly.

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Were You Ever Interested In Early Watchtower History?

by minimus in

i also was intrigued by the russellites and the break away sects that formed before and after charles taze russell.

i can only imagine what the bible students were thinking when rutherford became the next watchtower president..

BluesBrother

Back in the day we went over and over it at the meetings, much of it to show that events “fulfilled prophecy “ . Anyway it was considered important to be aware of our “Theocratic History “ so we all knew about the old presidents and key conventions. The most important event seemed to be The imprisonment in 1918..

Of course all this was as seen through the eyes of The Society. I have enjoyed finding out later that there are two sides to any story and a lot that we were not told.

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List of Critical WTS Teachings

by Vanderhoven7 in

i sent a list of statements about current wts teachings to a friend who is being carefully recruited by a seasoned witness.. hi em..... just a quick summary of what all “good” jehovah's witnesses believe...even though some of these things witnesses are not always willing to be transparent about.

this is your crash course.

i have quotations for every item listed if you want or need them.. witnesses believes that:.

BluesBrother

I cannot fault your summary Vander..... the sad thing is that if I showed it to my family they would agree and say “yes, that’s right, why can’t you see it’s the truth?”