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  Coercion at its worst: religious mandated shunning

  by Yomama in

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  by patrick haeck any comments on article?.

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  BluesBrother

  “Good post. I really don’t see HOW anybody can stop people from shunning.“”

  The WT could modify it in one simple article. I remember back in the 70s when the attitude toward the d/f’d was different. Articles gave examples of , say you spot a d/f’d sister whose car had broken down, they say it would not be showing neighbour love to refuse to help , as we would to anybody. They said then that it was a withdrawal of spiritual fellowship . I know at that time some level of family contact was practiced but no attempt to “ bring them back”

  That did not last. The pendulum swung back and now they are stricter than ever before…

  
  
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  JW case about documents in Germany

  by Gorb in

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  interesting, and strange story about jw case in germany.. g.. https://hrwf.eu/germany-jehovahs-witnesses-sue-german-museum-for-archive-of-nazi-era-abuses/.

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  Seems the Museum bought the docs in good faith from a non JW member of the family against the terms of another’s will bequeathing them to the WT.

  what the hell! Why not do a deal with the museum, have copies in their museum in Warwick and have done with it?
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  A JW experience I recalled this morning.

  by joe134cd in

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  i recalled an experience, that happened to me as i was awakening to the borg.

  i really brought home to me, just how asleep the r&f are to the vices of the org.

  at the time i had just learnt on the internet how the org was using quick builds/ refurbishment to get the titles of the halls e.g menlo park.

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  BluesBrother

  Yes,….. it follows from the delusion that “The Society must be right” and “It is all Jehovah’s organisation “ . So they just go with flow like good little sheep.

  It reminds me of Orwell’s “Animal Farm” and the cart horse , Boxer. Boxer tries to think things over for himself, but all he can come up with is, "If Comrade Napoleon says it, it must be right," and he takes up a new personal motto: "Napoleon is always right" (5.22). Because the other animals admire Boxer's work ethic, they follow his lead..

  Unfortunately Napoleon,the chief pig was evil and they sent Boxer to the knackers yard once he had done all he could.
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  New Documents if you want them!

  by Atlantis in

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  2021-september 20, assisting asylum-seekers from russia.

  click the image to zoom in.page 1. https://postimg.cc/vxd6tkq7page 2. https://postimg.cc/mchy3cyspage 3. https://postimg.cc/gt29knwypage 4. https://postimg.cc/ywdnwbgj-------------------------------announcementjanuary 14, 20222022-01-14 announcements.

  page 1. https://postimg.cc/2qrktfvspage 2. https://postimg.cc/4ybzyfmk--------------------------------2021-12new medical documents.

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  BluesBrother

  I see that they still provide children’s “blood cards” in the form of Identity Cards for young ones…. I get that an adult is free to choose but it does not seem right to place this on a child.

  Thanks Atlantis , as always ☕️🧁
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  All Along The Watchtower......Apostate Version

  by BluesBrother in

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  apostate lyrics to a bob dylan/jimi hendrix classic .

  https://youtube.com/watch?v=zgjpxoyclba&feature=share.

  i know nothing of the singer but he is not bad at all.

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  BluesBrother

  Apostate lyrics to a Bob Dylan/Jimi Hendrix classic

  https://youtube.com/watch?v=zGjPxOYCLbA&feature=share

  I know nothing of the singer but he is not bad at all. If you know of him please enlighten me

  (Nb don’t let a brief appearance of Lloyd Evans spoil your enjoyment of a cracking tune.)
  
  
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  How do you find reddit

  by joe134cd in

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  just curious but how do the people off this forum find reddit.

  for myself i find reddit to be sadly lacking in the jw world.

  i just don't find the depth there e.g one sentence replies, trying to be funny.

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  Reddit ? I have always found it tedious ,superficial and too many brief one liner comments to be interesting…..

  Since Lioyd Evans has come into this, I don’t see why he is so disliked . His videos are admittedly over stated and repetitive but , hey… anyone who spends his time debunking the Watchtower has got to be on our side ….
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  Not On Simon's Board--The Forbidden File!

  by Atlantis in

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  hi mike:.

  the file you have requested, is a file i will not provide a link for out here on simon's board.

  i will be happy to give you a link for that "forbidden" file in private.

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  BluesBrother

  Oh boy, when I was a lad growing up we had old bros and sis who would speak lovingly of the days of “ The Judge” as they called him . They had carried his sermons door to door, lugged phonographs playing recordings of his booming voice gone to the Albert Hall to see him in person . He was a hero to them.

  What would they make of this ? I am sure they would refuse to believe it .

  When I first heard such allegations I doubted it too. I was thing of the Society as it is now with a structure that would investigate such things. Back then though the President was God , there was no one to reign him in , he could do what he liked. I have seen too much smoke not to believe that their must be fire ……. 🤔
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  Door to door again?

  by Zeds Dead in

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  do you think the jdubs will start up the door whacking again one day?.

  there has to be many inside the org that are dreading having to do that again and as for the general public seeing this, it’s hard to imagine.

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  “One day” , yes I am sure they will. It is their raison de’tre and they will do it out of sheer cussedness to show they are not beaten. They will dust off the magazine carts as well and hit the High Street .

  It will start slowly with pilot schemes in non risk areas. The Org will make videos of ones saying how much 5hey have missed it and how glad they are to be back out there . In reality 90% of the publishers wlll groan and force themselves out .
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  Why do Anti-Jws refuse to answer questions- and ignore our answers?

  by DoubtingThomas in

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  denial..

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  BluesBrother

  C’mon the JWs themselves are past masters at avoiding questions and ignoring well constructed arguments. This goes all the way from individuals,like my family, who totally refuse to consider a valid criticism, right up to the top and the written articles.

  Actually it is a skill you need to develop as a dub . In the ministry I used to try and develop this art of talking around a difficult question. I was once told by a c/o “ you don’t have to answer every question, just acknowledge it” ….. Like a politician, eh?

  Ex Witnesses generally supply a reasoned argument, in my experience. Of course there will always be those who resort to name calling if you disagree, but they can be ignored.

  I have found on line excellent reasons to not accept those teachings of the WTS that do not emanate directly from Scriptures. I am sure you can too.
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  Terminal Lucidity & the Nature of Consciousness

  by Sea Breeze in

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  no, this isn't about suddenly becoming aware of how much you hate airports.

  it is about people with profound brain impairments like mental retardation, alzheimer's, stroke and dementia (often in a coma) suddenly becoming normal and lucid shortly before passing away.

  this is important because the wt teaches that consciousness is a function of the physical brain.

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  BluesBrother

  The WT seems somewhat unique among religious groups to insist that there is no consciousness after death.

  Actually some other groups teach that the soul is unconscious awaiting a future call. The modern Seventh-day Adventists for one