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  1949 and 1950 Talk Outlines

  by vienne in

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  i'm trying to help uncle b with a project.

  i need clear scans of these talk outlines.

  as i understand it there were six for each year.

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  BluesBrother

  Clicking the links onto those older threads revealed a mine of fascinating information about the WT past . Thank you all. I bow to the scholarship of those who wrote.

  It is a pity that today’s crop of dumb dubs know, or care, little about all this.
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  Watchtower July 22 - JWs being interrogated need to muzzle their mouths

  by Listener in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the watchtower has printed a disturbing article about self control and gives this instruction to the r & f .

  self-control also allows us to remain silent when opposers try to trick us into revealing things that could endanger our brothers and sisters.

  this might occur when we are being interrogated by the police in a land where our work is banned or restricted.

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  BluesBrother

  I would not expect the Wt to say that - “ it is up to you whether or not you rat out your brothers to an opposing authority. “

  Actually this comment reads like it came from a 1950s Watchtower. They still have a persecution complex. It shows they still view the outside world as the enemy, just waiting to pounce.
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  Random thoughts on the Jubilee in the UK

  by ballistic in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  saluting the flag was something not encountered very often here in the 1970s uk, in fact that kind of nationalism or patriotism was something i'd been warned about as a young boy, being brought up in the jehovah's witnesses from age 4, through meetings and the publications.

  at some point, i don't know when, i decided it was more american, whether rightly or wrongly.. but even so, there was a large black and white photo of our entire school in panoramic format right outside my classroom on the wall saluting the flag, and i think this was the 1977 25 year jubilee of queen elizabeth ii.. now as a young person attending a fairly religious school in the 1970's, you were used to "making a stand" for things, letter in hand first day in a new class, and being ushered into one room or another to avoid religious assemblies and other xmas, and other seasonal celebrations.. one day the teachers, in their abundant wisdom, stood myself and a younger witness in the corridor right outside the assembly hall where the children would filter past.

  every second or third child that filtered past would ask, "why are you standing there?

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  BluesBrother

  Saluting the flag is an American thing that I never encountered, growing up in England. The issue was standing for the National Anthem. The grown up dubs would deliberately sit down and revel in the animosity they created.

  As I grew up we tried to find out when it would be played at any event we attended and slip out beforehand. In later years the practice of playing it has largely stopped except at international sports events …

  I felt for Witness kids during the Jubilee build up . I remember how hard it was at school when you are a child dealing with these things
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  “This generation will by no means pass away.”

  by Fisherman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  for argument sake let’s assume that this verse should apply to 1914. what are your thoughts on generation?.

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  BluesBrother

  The Watchtower’s definition of a generation is just plain wrong and not in line with any dictionary that I could find.

  The fact that we are still here in 2022 shows that the “time of the end “ could not have started in 1914.
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  Still here.

  by Lee Marsh in

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  2. friends

  the last 2 1/2 years have been extremely stressful.

  while the rest of the world was dealing with covid, i was also dealing with cancer.

  in fact it seems none of my doctors knew about it.

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  BluesBrother

  I’m so glad that you are still here with us Lee. Your story is inspiring.

  
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  WHEN is the Kingdom of God coming?

  by Fisherman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  when is the kingdom of god coming?.

  on being asked by the pharisees when the kingdom of god was coming, he answered them: “the kingdom of god is not coming with paratherisis; 21 nor will people say, ‘see here!’ or, ‘there!’ for look!

  the kingdom of god is in your midst.” —lu 17:20,21. .

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  BluesBrother

  As one reads Matt 24 it destroys the whole concept of Adventism , from which JWs have come. The idea of predicting when he would return was spoken against bt Jesus. He said to keep on the watch …. never knowing when the day would come . Just be ready, whenever.
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  Beards- just told by an elder

  by dothemath in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i know this subject has been talked about lots over the years, just thought i would share a recent finding from canada.. while visiting with a group of friends, an elder (don’t recall how the subject came up) mentioned the local body had voted to allow brothers with beards be allowed to give talks from the platform.

  (it was a very close vote).

  the direction given was for each congregation to decide for themselves if that is now acceptable.. so some congregations will be for, and for many it will not.. it’ll probably be a long time before we see any pictures on the watchtower where they’re allowing this though..

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  BluesBrother

  Would not raise an eyebrow around here
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  (Poppa was a ) GUITAR MAN

  by Terry in

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  2. friends

  (poppa was a) guitar manpoppa drank from muddy waters made three sons and then four daughtersmomma owns the things he bought her for a songshe lived like old blind lemonbut his messin’ with wild women done her wrongi found him in new orleans livin’ off one of his darlingsin a jail drunk on rye whisky just becausehe’d broken every law there ever wasi bailed his sorry ass out, took him home and watched him pass outthen he woke up, swore he’d do it all againfriends tell me not to bother, i’ll become just like my fatherin bars on bad guitars like my old manhe’d sing:“there’s no harm in harmony and nothin’ fair about farewell,one of these days i’ll mend my waysor end up down in hell.”_____(i got) one old silver dollar in a suitcase in the parlorpoppa’s porkpie hat and coat are down the hallgonna break a pawn shop window snatch his guitar quick and then gograb a southbound bus to nachadoches townbar chords earn my living, and some women are forgivingwhen i sing the things the lady loves to heargirls with lonely faces sipping beer in lowdown placesguitar man’s the candy for her earnow i sing:“darlin’ i sure love you, my oh my if you piss me off this bird is gonna flyboo-yah - why oh why ohdo i do the thing that makes my baby cry?”______you can live for love or glory but the moral of this storyis that fate determines “what, where, when, and why”some of us are teachers, plumbers, bums, or holy preachersin the end my friend, we’re all a-gonna die_______poppa was a guitar man he sang the blues but had no plannow i’m the acorn from his crooked oak, i play for drunks and sing for mealsor break a window and i stealjust go ahead and laugh but i’m no joke________some cats fall - land on their toes (but that’s just how their story goes)dogs chase cars - run over on the roadi pluck, and slide, and moan and waili got my tiger by its tailall a man can do is bear his load________bar chords earn my living, but some women are forgivingwhen i sing the things the ladies love to hearthose girls with lonely faces sipping beer in lowdown placesthis guitar man is the candy for their ears___________i got one old silver dollar that he left me when he diedmomma cried and called to tell me at the bar.

  i told her i was sorry, she said,.

  “you know what you are?”i guess i maybe should have, could have lied.

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  BluesBrother

  I loved that….. any man who can write about the Blues is a friend of mine.

  For all its coarseness and bad ways , The Blues has an honesty and simple humanity that reaches my soul.

  Thanks Terry
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  2022-Secret Watchtower Disfellowshipping Reference Manual.

  by Atlantis in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  massive new document written by wt, 837 pages, meant for arguments vs officials and media to defend the disfellowshipping arrangement.

  found in the casefile in norway.

  meant to be secret.. .

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  BluesBrother

  I saw immediately the blatant lie about individuals using their own conscience as to shun.

  I wondered how an organisation known as The Truth could do that. But then I remembered being told about “ theocratic strategy “, I.e. that they don’t owe the truth to opposers of their work . If they view the Governments as the agents of Satan then maybe they feel free to be “ economical with the truth” , as a politician once put it .

  This old quote says it all . After discussing Rahab hiding the Jewish spies and misleading the soldiers, it says

  Wt 1956 Feb 1st

  “Remember that there was war then. The enemies did not deserve to learn the truth to the hurt or endangerment of Jehovah’s servants. In wartime it is proper to misdirect the wolfish enemy.“
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  Are Jehovah’s Witnesses softening their view of Faders?

  by Darkknight757 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so my in-laws actually went out to dinner with us today.

  normally, since leaving in 2016, they wouldn’t eat with us or talk much to me.

  (since i did convince their daughter to leave the cult).

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  BluesBrother

  All depends on the individual. The official line is to definitely shun the d/f’d and they have said on occasion that should include ex dubs who are strong non believers.

  However, there is no penalty for associating if one is not d/f’ ,so it is a matter of conscience.