Posts by BluesBrother

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Watchtower thoughts on Jazz

by David.L.Henson in

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women!

don't listen to jazz!.

"new orleans jazz has a primitive tom-tom rhythm that does a single woman's peace of mind no good, is one of the insane claims from the tower about the harmful jazz music.. the fact is - if you check up the writings of the tower - the only safe music is the "kingdom songs" - and those do kill your brain if you love music:-)) .

BluesBrother

When I was a teen, The Society was in full force against rock music, they didn’t often mention jazz at that time. All the stuff I liked was “ untheocratic” . Despite being a believing dub, Inever accepted any of that and carried on collecting the music I loved.

Later on they homed in on “heavy metal”. I loved the heavy rock bands so I ignored them, although I was an elder by then.

In more recent times their target has been younger teen stuff that I did not like any way so I was not bothered .

Really, the principle seems to be , if it is popular it must be wrong ... and they criticise it .

Was it not ever thus? I have read that they said that Paganini was “from the Devil”

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Why is there a large cat in this picture?

by slimboyfat in

i wonder if anyone can explain this.

ezekiel 34:25 says .

and i will make a covenant of peace with them, and i will rid the land of vicious wild beasts, so that they may dwell securely in the wilderness and sleep in the forests.. the land is said to be rid of vicious wild beasts, so why does the watchtower picture in the new pure worship book show a large predatory cat on the tree in this picture?

BluesBrother

It does look a different artwork style to normal.

My take on this is that they are saying that big cats and other beasts would still be here in the New World, but friendly, just pussy cats . No longer dangerous beasts .

NB. I suppose the owl can’t hunt mice anymore?

This is the first time I have looked at this book . It’s a an old fashioned prophecy explaining book. It has major and minor fulfilments and all the old dates that we keep saying they are going to abandon. The gloss may change but the stuff remains the same.

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Three new lawsuits against Watchtower filed under NY Child Victims Act (CVA) this October, bringing number of CVA cases up to six

by Corney in

new cases:.

diaz case, filed on 10/21/2020 by zalkin law firm - two plaintiffs abused (here and hereinafter - allegedly) by two ministerial servants in 1970s.. iglesias case, filed on 10/19/2020 by eisenberg & baum, llp against various nyc and wt entities - abused by an "elder john doe" and "[travelling] overseer john" in 1970s and 1980s.. aldridge case, filed 10/06/2020 by zalkin law firm - abused by a congregation elder in 1970s.. older cases:.

tarry case (no 1 and no 2), filed on 09/17/2019 and 07/23/2020 by parker waichman llp - abused by a publisher in 1984. very weak case.

BluesBrother

All “apostate lies” of course..... and if they settle out of court it does not mean that anyone’s guilty..... ( if you believe Mr Splane )

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Don't take my booze!

by David.L.Henson in

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a direct confirmation that judge joseph rutherford, 2nd president of the watchtower organization, had a weak spot for good whisky, can be found in the following hilarious watch tower article.. the u.s. congress had passed the spirit prohibition law, and the judge was absolutely furious that these "servants of satan" tried to take his booze away.. the watch tower, which according to fred franz had jehovah as editor during these days, directly stated that christians could not "participate in" such a prohibition.

in other words, they had to smuggle and drink booze to be loyal to god.

the jws are unfortunately a much more boring sect these days.. the watchtower, november 1, 1924prohibition.

BluesBrother

I agree with Disillusioned JW ... I lost count of the number of times he called intoxicating liquor “ evil “

The article does not promote drinking or violating prohibition laws . He is saying that such laws do not come from God , which I gather some were saying at the time. It is a diatribe against the Government. This was before they fathomed out that they were the “superior authorities “ to be obeyed.

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Convention videos

by shadowclone in

anyone know a place to get old official (jw org produced) videos?.

BluesBrother

Atlantis. .....That last link looks to be a treasure trove of information. Thanks Buddy.!

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It's VERY DIFFICULT for some JWs to accept the Truth-------But for other not so much------WHY?

by pistolpete in

what is it about some jws that they can't see the flip-flops of the wt's changing doctrine?.

some of the flip-flops involved the death of many of it's members, and it was not even biblical based.

yet for some reason they can't seem to grasp the significance of the matter.

BluesBrother

If you can really get to it with such black+white dubs who defend everything ,it ought to be easy to show where they cannot be right. Even so, they do not accept it .

“Nothing is easier than self-deceit. For what each man wishes, that he also believes to be true”

So said an Ancient Greek called Demosthenes.

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''Deliverance at Hand''. Now 15 years on &....

by Beth Sarim in

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....and still no big 'a'.

armageddon.. it was 15 years ago dubland was in lala dream-like almost trance-like state hanging on the notion the big 'a' was imminent.. it was ironic.

ironic at that time was when.... i was starting my long waking-up process.

BluesBrother

Yes well, it has been at hand for over 100 years !

You speak of 15 years ? That’s nothing . I have spoken to people who grumbled that “they told us Armageddon was at hand in 1942” when the bombs were falling. When I Was a kid The A bomb was sure to start something that would lead to Armageddon. There is always something.

C’est la vie......

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Debating Disassociation

by B_Deserter in

it's been about 10 years since i posted here.

a lot's happened of course.

but here's where i'm at right now.. i was never (to my knowledge) disfellowshipped.

BluesBrother

Given what you say about your mother, I am not sure that it would provide the barrier that you seek.

Grandparents have a stake in grandchildren, that is a fact of life not only JWs. I have known of Witnesses with d/f’d adult children who still cared for the little ones one day a week.....with the parents permission of course, just taking the kid at the door.

Frankly I think your fears of kidnap are unfounded. The WTS would never embrace such a policy. Even if they wanted to, their lawyers would not let them.

I understand you don’t want your daughter indoctrinated with their beliefs. I guess you will just have to be firm with your mother , telling her to never say it in your daughters presence. A threat of not being able to see her granddaughter at all might do the trick.

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Looking to learn

by kimmy in

sorry if i shouldn't be posting this, i am not jw however i have had past experiences with jw's and was learning a lot about the religion, in hopes to convert one day.

it all ended suddenly and i guess i feel guilty for not learning more, i would get scared at the thought of bible studies and discussions in case it brought back memories.

i was looking for any advice on the best ways i can find out more please.

BluesBrother

I would agree with Smiddy, above. Those of us who have had our lives impacted adversely by that movement know that it is one to stay away from.

However, there is a wealth of information on the net, notably their own site ,JW.org and I would recommend JWFacts.com for an informed counter view

If medical matters interest you then study the website ajwrb.com and you will know more about the blood issue than most Witnesses do.

Best Wishes

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Confidential Letter from the Watchtower to all full time servants.

by pistolpete in

this is a confidential letter for all full time servants like cos, regular pioneers, bethel and branch workers so please don't tell anyone about this.. reminder 20,000 jws have died of covid and 99% of those who died or were hospitalized in the united states branch territory were not vaccinated, so whose fault is that???.

my question, how did they get the information that all these 20,000 jws were not vaccinated?.

hint; if you want to continue to share in spiritual privileges--------------------get vaccinated.

BluesBrother

Thankfully Lloyd read the letter though at the start of his video so it does not need 50 minutes of time.

They are saying to full time Bethelites an C/Os that they strongly recommend vaccination and in some lands this may be a requirement of the State to be able to meet and do things ,either now or in the future.

OK.. as a vaccinated Brit , I see no objection to that. Such people are paid and supported by Watchtower so they have some reason to tell them .

It is common sense anyway.