gilles gray writes:.
the short answer is, god communicates with jehovah’s witnesses very poorly indeed.. jehovah’s witnesses are the first to affirm that god doesn’t directly communicate with them at all.. however, this fact doesn’t stop them from making the baseless assertion that god communicates to them through reading the bible, through holy spirit and through their leaders (known as the governing body, or the faithful and discreet slave).. here is a claim made by one of the first leaders of the watchtower organisation:-.
communication through reading the bible.
I guess it is like an elders meeting. Something is considered,debated and then agreed based on the elder’s judgment at the time. If later, an elder has to justify that decision to another brother he will say , “ We prayed for Gods guidance and the Spirit led us to agree on it “
The GB always claim that their decisions are from God ….. until they change it a few years later ! Then the new understanding is from God… 🤔
hey guys!
i'm new on this site and am a non jw here married to a jw.
my husband's family are active members and they daily post articles on facebook from jw.org which i know is meant for me to see and read.
That statue of Marsyas is a story from ancient mythology
“Apollo, of course, defeated Marsyas. He then exacted a savage punishment, exemplifying the jealous and petty nature of the Greek gods: he tied Marsyas to a tree and flayed him alive. It was said that Marsyas’ fellow woodland creatures wept a literal river for him”
It is not a real event and the story of having him tied to a tree is nothing like a death by impalement / crucifixion.
un camps are a provision from jehovah .
https://www.youtube.com/@jwupdate?sub_confirmation=1.
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To Raymond Frantz
I owe you an apology. I did not realise that the video was your own and I am very sorry for my rudeness.
I do still hold that the Witnesses today view the U N as just one part of the the political system and ,as is evident, they are happy to accept its charitable works. The days of denouncing it as “the disgusting thing standing where it ought not” are long gone.
Best wishes.
un camps are a provision from jehovah .
https://www.youtube.com/@jwupdate?sub_confirmation=1.
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I did not have the patience to watch all of this guy’s video and put up with his blathering.
The beginning though was about in the present day , a Witness family in war torn Africa seeks refuge in a UNHCR refugee camp. Later , no doubt they thank Jehovah, as they always do.
so what is wrong? The dubs are told that all politics are in the hand of Satan so whether the camp is provided by the the UN, their government or another makes no difference. They accept help gladly , thinking of Romans 13 that governments are in place as God’s minister.....
If I have missed a point, please say so.
if it’s looking like someone may be disfellowshiped or announced they are no longer a jw and they don’t want to be shunned they just want to fade without being shunned - just say that would make me suicidal .
simple.
in the new shepherding book it says if they say that then don’t go ahead with it.
In my case the slow fade worked well. Here in UK the elders have not bothered with me. When I initially resigned and stopped reporting I expected them to reach out to me, but in the end my wife actuality had to beg them to talk to me. I had an hour of their time in the KH and then no more . The cong. where we live now have ignored me completely although they know me from association .
I have remembered to be diplomatic around dubs so they don’t care. That suits me fine.
no subtlety here, it's going to be obvious where i'm going with this.
please consider the following scenario.. you're seated on a railway platform bench waiting for your train.
a high speed intercity is about to hurtle through without stopping when you see a small child running to the platforms edge!
“Why does God allow it?” was a frequent objection when we used to do house to house ministry . I can remember it as far back as the Aberfan disaster when I was still a youngster.
The stock Witness answer is to say that God expects mankind to look after himself and he is not there to protect us from ur own mistakes and ignorance since man chose a course of rebellion against him. If he protected us from the consequences we would have no reason to be careful. It would also help maintain the rotten sinful life we have today.Rather , his purpose provides a permanent solution to sin and death.
Nowadays I can see the holes in that argument and I know why nobody believed me. Truth is I cannot answer the question…
Mind you that answer is better than saying, as some vicars do, that God must have wanted another angel in heaven and took the child !
dear brothers!.
we have gathered here because, according to your claims, i have apostatized, and as elders, it is your duty to maintain the purity of the flock.
it seems now that someone has contaminated it, apparently.
Nothing wrong with the sentiment behind the post but if it were delivered to a committee they would be 🥱 then 😴 before halfway.
putting this under "friends" because i couldn't figure out where to put it.
it is very often on here and in ex jw videos, ect that people like to undermine some of those who once we would have called friends.
there seems to be a view that window washers, plumbers, cleaners, construction workers are somehow less intelligent than those who may be college educated.
I agree a lot with the original post. Some of the smartest people I knew have been builders, cleaners etc... not because that was all they could do but because they chose that, to spend their time as Elders, Pioneers etc. When I worked for a large company I often thought that the management there was inferior to that of the congregations....That was some time ago of course, I have not been impressed with the elders I see around now,
Of course they don’t know what an expert knows but we are talking of faith , not expertise. I only know that the Apostles were “ unlettered and ordinary men”.
and then, for two years…..nothing happened.until they pretended everything was normal and sent everyone back to the hamster wheel.
back to meetings, back to d2d, back to assemblies & conventions.
everyone, get back on the hamster wheel, and don’t you dare complain or try to get out of it by using zoom.. https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/14fhe4y/exercise_patience_classic_gaslighting_from_wt/ .
Anyone who believed that our pandemic was a sign has to be crackers…..
I never saw that in the JW official teaching although I am sure some jumpy dubs went for it . Frankly, if my family’s group leader had said that, he would have been laughed at.
today, i received a call from my oncologist nurse.
she informed me that i will need to sign a consent form for a blood transfusion.
the doctor will see me next wednesday to go through the consent form with me.
I do understand the dilemma. I have considered this question a a lot . I was offerer blood while in hospital but it was not at all urgent so I had no problem declining it. It is so hard when your close family are believing Witnesses. You think of the problem that you would be causing them . How would home life be afterwards? Is it worth it?
At my time of life , living with a wife who would be drawn into the consequences, who is also my carer for disability….. I seriously wonder if it would be worth sacrificing my happy home life for a few more years of living? Those extra years are going downhill anyway…..
Of course the situation would be totally different for other people and I would never tell anyone what to do. I am just pointing out that although the actual taking of blood would be a no-brainer , the consequences are more complicated.
