Several have wondered about the cause of death. While I have no way to find out my speculation would be that she either suffocated because of the way ahe was muzzled or she was killed by internal injuries suffered when she was beaten on her front. Since the cause was not mentioned in the articles we may well never know.
It was sick to read about it. Obviously the man was simply out of control. Even at my worse in dubdom I would never have submitted my children to that kind of cruelty. And I would've reported anyone, JW or not, who I knew to've done anything like that to the authorities. In fact, I DID report a person who abused her son. I think the man's conduct rises to the level of enhanced circumstances spelled out by the Supreme Court for the death penalty.
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JW's TORTURES DAUGHTER TO DEATH
by DannyHaszard ingirl's brother testifies father fatally beat her
chicago tribune, united states - 20 minutes ago .
... avenue, chicago.
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The Earliest Trinity Statements
by Amazing1914 in[note: i am not promoting a religion, a church system, nor a set of beliefs.
i am merely reporting history as i find it.
the early, ante-nicene church fathers spent much time fighting heresies.
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The Earliest Trinity Statements
by Amazing1914 in[note: i am not promoting a religion, a church system, nor a set of beliefs.
i am merely reporting history as i find it.
the early, ante-nicene church fathers spent much time fighting heresies.
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You might want to look at the following collection of quotes from the early Church fathers for a more rounded understanding of what they wrote.
http://www.heaven.net.nz/writings/trinity-06.htm
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Notes 2006 Spl Assy Day "Keep Your Eye Simple"
by doinmypart inhere are my notes from the 2006 special assembly day "keep your eye simple".
i added emphasis to some of the notes.. why keep your eye simple (local elder).
what are some of these things?
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and in 20 or 30 years we will be in the New Order]
If only I had a dollar for every time I heard that same shit in the last 30 years...
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You and me both friend. You and me both!
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Do you think that my college professor is a "racist"?
by booker-t ini am in a dilema at school that i need some feedback on.
my geography professor is a young caucasian man in his mid 30's.
he is very knowlegable about the other countries in the world but he always seem to make negative statements about blacks, hispanics, asians and native americans.
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Going up angainst a professor is at best very illconsidered at any time. Professors generally hold all the cards, like JW elders. I knew a fellow who took a course with a really misanthropic lesbian professor. Despite high grades on his exams, etc., his final grade was an F. He decided to take her on. She'd made the mistake of openly admitting in the presense of witnesses that it was her policy to fail males who took her classes. Even with that, the fight to get credit for the class was long, hard, and bitter with her fighting him every step of the way. I think he finally got credit for the course, but it made things difficult for him with other professors in that department as well. I avoided her classes like the plague!
My best advise is to puut up with the man's comments, figure out what he wants to have repeated back to him on the exams, and stay away from his classes in the future if possible. Since your particular professor is picking on minorities with his comments he probably won't last in that job since most colleges won't put up with that sort of thing. If your college does an end of semester evaluation of the professors by the students, make your concerns known that way. Although the professors get to reaqd the comments their students make, they are supposed to be typed out when the professor sees them to protect your anonymity.
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Did abortion lower the crime rate?
by free2beme ini was watching a news program the other day, and they were using the idea that abortion has been a huge reason why crime has gone down.
these are the reasons they said.. 1. crime in large cities started decreasing in the 1990's, roughly about 16-18 years after abortion was made legal.. 2. crime is often done by people between the ages of 16-24.
3. abortion drops the rate and number of unwanted children being born to single mothers, or to people who do not care about them.
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Now your in my territory!
I am surprised that the recent reductions in the crime rate were attributed to abortion. despite abortion, the population is still on the rise. Generally the reduction in the crime rate is attrubuted by most experts to two factors, the crackdown on crime in the 1990s with it's increase in penalties, and the aging-out of the baby boomers grandchildren.
In the late 1980s and the 1990s, there was a demand on the part of the public that something be done about the out-of-control crime rates. I well remember the pissing contest which politicians got into trying to show who was "tougher" on crime. It was the era which brought in the "three-strikes-your out" and civil forfeiture laws. Pepole accused of certain crimes found all their assets siezed, making them unable to pay for good attorneys and reciving much longer sentences to prison when convicted. The whole idea was to incapacitate the criminal by taking him/her of the streets where they could no longer engage in criminal activity. For some unlucky individuals, conviction of two or three felonies was enough to be incarcerated for life, with little or no hope of ever being allowed out again. That was aimed at the career criminals.
The second influence was the curious phenomenon called aging-out by experts. Generally, juveniles who commit crimes tend to grow-up as they end their teen years and stop their criminal activites. Except a few hard-core individuals, those teens usually go on to live their lives as law abiding citizens. After WWII, vetrans came home and settled into normal lives, they had plenty of babies, a phenomena which was labelled the "baby boom". As they grew up, the bavby boomers produced another bumper crop of babies, and their children did the same thing. As each group went through their lives, the crime rate spiked up as they went through their teens. The crime rate of the 90s was partially due to the third "bump", the grandkids of the baby boomers. They are now aging-out, so the crime rate is going down. Add to that the record number of folks in prison for long terms, nearly two million, and the decline in crime is significant.
Abortion probably contributes a minor portion to the lowered crime rate, but it is considered very minor as a factor. That is how most crime experts see it right now.
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New Invitations for the "Deliverance at Hand" DC
by dorayakii in.
the front of this new watchtower-sized invitation features a common painting of the jw paradise and the theme of his years distirct convention, "deliverance at hand" emblazened across the front.
it looks like they're trying to work up armageddon fervour again.. .
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In other words: Loyalty to God really means Loyalty to the watchtower corporation.
Basically.
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Judas Gospel is fictional, just like the 'Da Vinci Code'
by Shining One innashville, tenn. (bp)--the gospel of judas is helpful in understanding early church heresy but should be viewed as false writings and not comparable to the biblical gospels, conservative scholars say.
a group of scholars and translators announced in early april the documents discovery, disclosing the find just before a special about the manuscript aired on the national geographic channel.
national geographic billed it as a "lost gospel.
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Well, Leo, glad to see that you and I can agree on something. I enjoyed your post.
Your sarcasm was not entirely off base Narkissos. Though I wonder just how accurately the author was portraying the opinions of "conservative scholars". I caught a sniff of an agenda there.
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Intro
by mavie inhello from mavie.
currently happily married for a number of years to a great jw wife, i currently serve as an ms in our local kh.
my wife and i have been told we are pillars in the congregation.
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Welcome aboard Mavie!
First let me say that I am not the least bit upset at your comment about the material posted here. Let me be the first to tell you to go right ahead and be skeptical! We do not demand that you accept one iota of what we say about the organization as a condition for your presence here. What we do ask, is that you do your research. That is all anyone can ask of you, me, or anybody else. Whether you do that is up to you.
The experiences I relate are like your own, experiences that I or others I know personally have lived through. Take in that spirit. Many of us came here because of situations not unlike your own. We vented, and some still vent. the fact is that it feels good to vent in a safe area where one doesn't have to worry about the "knock on the door", or the "trip to the back room". So go ahead and vent, you will get sympathy here because many of us have "been there and done that".
As for what folks say, the ones who line their ducks up in a row expect you to question and look into the matter on your own. They want you convinced, not by what they say, but rather by your own checking the evidence, weighing it yourself, and coming to your own conclusions. That, my friend, is the path to freedom.
Your own experience is not unique. Listen to the folks posting stories much like yours here and you can't hlep but come to the conclusion that something is very wrong in the organization. For me, that epiphany came about 23 years ago. I won't go into all the details because I could easily be identified by them, but let it suffice to say that My daughter, a rape victim, had been declared an "unapproved associate". At the time, the only difference between that and disfellowshiping was the name of the action. She wasn't the only one shunned as a result. The whole family was.
We were at a sunday meeting when my wife took our infant Grandson to the lobby to try and get him to quite down and sleep. She was aproached by a visiting sister from out of town who asked her if she was disfellowshipped. On finding out she wasn't, the sister told her that she was being treated as difellowshipped and wanted her to know that in her travels she was seeing alot of innocent people being informally shunned, so our experience was not unique, so hang in there, it would get better. That caught my attention and got me thinking. We'd assumed that we were just lonely victims of an Alpha elder who had a friend on the Governing Body, Daniel Sydllik, to intervene on his behalf when we'd appealed an obvious miscarraige of justice. Things were alot more widspread than that!
I didn't leave the organization right then, Mavie. I hung around about another 20 years and gave the organization every chance it had a right to deserve and then some. Now you are in a simliar position. And its got you questioning some things, that's why you are here. Like I said, start looking at things yourself. Don't take mine, or anybody else's word for it. whether you remain in, or leave the organization, I'll guarantee that you'll be better for it.
By the way Mavie. There are some folks who are pretty well-connected around here. And folks are pretty good at analyzing what those folks report here and coming to very good conclusions about the significance of the rumors and gossip. So if you stay here, you'll know more than most of the elders know about what is going on in the organization. And you will know many things before many of them even find out! I used to envy the "in" crowd, you know, the ones who are connected and here all the juicy stuff that makes its way through the grapevine. What is ironic is that I had put myself in danger of being DF'd by coming here to get even better connected than them. C'est la Vie!
You take care friend, and keep us posted. We do like to help those wounded souls who come in to our midst.
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RICHIE RED ALERT
by RichieRich ini was on the phone speaking with verne thoren, presiding overseer of the willow springs, nc congregation of jehovah's witnesses.
he tells me he knows of my possesssion of the flock book.
he knows of my involvement on this site.
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Since Richie's father is not a JW, and is 'the head of the house', the elders shouldn't be imposing their opinions on his mother. His father needs to speak to the elders and tell them not to diminish his authority in his own household.
Not bad, Serendipity, I like that one!
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