http://www.theopenpress.com/?a=articles&code=01&id=469.
I would like to bring this article back to the attention of all forum members.
What a great resource this web site has been for all victims, both of JW pedophiles and rank and file members who dare to question and seek answers.
The question is "Can we help them to continue?"
Please Help...........................
ray franz saw it.
but the normal rank and file jehovah's witness doesn't have a clue as to how many times the predictions of dates allegedly marking the " end of the world " have come and gone without realization or fulfillment.
here is a short summation from ray franz's book " crisis of conscience " for those who were not aware.. on pg.
HI, just out of interest, I read that in 1799 Napoleon kidnapped the Pope!..... something did happen in 1799, the start of the last days. Even the early WT fathers believed that was the year. How wrong they were/are....
jehovahs day comes at this moment and u realize u were in the right place but because of leaving you are now doomed.
would everything gained (temporary) enjoyment worth it?.
All we can now hear are crickets chirping in the moonlight..................
My feeling is, that upon leaving the borg, it is worth it. As far as it being god's organization.... he left a long time ago too, if indeed he was ever there in the first place.
Imagine the heart beat that this guy had when he decided to post? The reading the follow ups and thinking he was real clever! I hope that he has the COURAGE to stay a while, read, and LEARN........
you are told that if you "go back to the vomit" of the world, you will be miserable.. is your life better or worse since you've removed yourself from the organization's hold?.
Way better.... If I want to waste my own free time, that is one thing, but when it is done for me, for what is in the end no good reason, then it is another thing completely.
Even if it were "the truth" I wouldn't want it.... Like someone said to my wife recently: "Once you've had black.... you'll never go back!" [I think they were talking about coffee!!!!!!]
http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/respected-jehovahs-witness-groomed-and.5911846.jp.
a respected jehovah's witness who served as an elder betrayed the trust placed in him by abusing young girls.. james michael o'brien followed one schoolgirl into a kitchen when she was alone away from adults making tea at meetings he was hosting.. .
he pulled her towards him, sexually assaulted her and began to kiss her.. .
Interesting that the court was told he was no longer a JW.... probably kicked him just before he went to trial. Oh well, he can always work real hard and get re-instated. Elders and MinServs will be encouraged to visit and support him while he is in jail.... He will be back witnessing asap!
mine does.
goes way out of her way to stir up trouble, conflict, and manipulate the former and non-dub relatives into not having a nice holiday.
goes to extremes to do so, and is at it again, right on cue..
My in-laws always end up with a CA as well as a CO visit and even a pioneer school over what should be the christmas holidays, so even if they wanted to do something to relax, they are usually on high alert.... [they are over 80 years old and have to persecute themselves that they need to do more!!!]
mine does.
goes way out of her way to stir up trouble, conflict, and manipulate the former and non-dub relatives into not having a nice holiday.
goes to extremes to do so, and is at it again, right on cue..
My young nephew said that people who have birthdays are "suckers!"
Man I had to bite my tongue. I know that his mother [my sister] used to be allowed to go to our cousins birthday nearly every year! I know who the sucker is..... the kid with no presents...
They say, oh we can give our children a present any time we want, we dont have to have a birthday... then go ahead and give them nothing!!!
we use to joke around and use the line from danny deveto on romancing the stone where he is asking michael dougless when he is coming back, soon very soon as a way to make fun of the believers who would keep telling us on stage the end was soon very soon.
they started this after the 75 and 2000 failure.
what are they saying now?.
Hypnotism:
1) Bypassing the critical factor of the conscious mind
2) The giving of acceptable suggestions
I have studied this and it is true. Once a dub thinks about getting ready to go to the meeting, the critcal factor is bypassed. Let alone sit there and have it bored to sleep via the meeting program. The prayer is the same...exactly the same as a group hypnotherapy session, the song deepens the trance and away you go. You can be in hypnosis with your eyes open. Add to that concentrating, note taking, participation.... the trance gets deeper and deeper...
for example, if he was demoted due to one of his children(who are still under him) being df'd or is no longer "exemplary".. agbm.
There was a guy here where I live, who was an elder, had a slightly shady business deal, explained his way out of it, but because of the "noteriety" was demoted to ms..... he then jumped congs and was re-appointed as an elder in no time flat.
i was going through some old photos today, i found one of myself when i was a devout jw.
it was really shocking!
i'm so thin, my cheeks are hollow, i'm as white as the wall behind me, i'm standing hunched over, and in my eyes you can see real misery.
Did anyone go out and get tattoos and piercings, radical hairstyles?
I am about the same, but older, bald and greyish white.............. very sad
