Hey Oz.... how you goin? Good find, there used to be a web site called "quotes" and he used to have another CD with lots of older wt books and stuff on it. It might be around somewhere?
All good here.
geevee
came accross this piece from the 1887 watchtower tonight.... have a read... you can see russell criticising the protestants for how they are not allowed to teach anything that is not sanctioned by the church.. sounds mighty familier...and can be mirrored right back at the wt.. watchtower 1887. .
page 923 april 1887 (caps and italics russells and the wt).
nor should we ignore the assistance of any of god's children in seeking an understanding of the scriptures, but we should give attention to them only so far and so long, as they teach and explain the bible, in harmony with the bible.
Hey Oz.... how you goin? Good find, there used to be a web site called "quotes" and he used to have another CD with lots of older wt books and stuff on it. It might be around somewhere?
All good here.
geevee
i think it's been around 7 years for me.
and i never ever missed going or being with the "friends"..
I say congratulations to us all, whether is has been a long time or only a short one. Really the long time starts with a short one!!
Personally, it has now been 5 years..... 5 YEARS!!!!! Awesome!! AWESOME!!!...
The book study conductor was saying that victims of pedophiles that had been on TV here in Australia in 2005 were all liars and apostates! I disagreed said so, stood up and walked out! That was it.
My family and I do NOT go to memorials, we don't want anyone to get their hopes up that we might come back. If we have to go to a funeral, and that is getting closer, parents getting old and armageddon hasn't come so they WILL die in this old system!!!!!!! we are prepared to go for that and that only.
But it is fantastic to not be doing any of that bs any more.
i was just wondering if anyone has ever counted the yearly parttakers.
2005-8524.. based on these numbers 36373 has been anointed in four years alone.
am i mistaken to understand that the 144000 is to go to heaven and are apart of the anointed class and therefore these part takers are also going to heaven.
You couls try to understand it, but it is impossible, because it is rot any way. Borg reasoning is flawed at best. The number was filled way before this century or the last if...IF... it were in fact literal.
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Awesome article. I don't often get in here to post these days.... 5 years free!!! But you have summarized it nicely. This is a keeper.
How cool to cut and paste it and send it to all our JW buddies and challenge them to read it!
Most would delete it straight away or stare blankly up into the corner of the ceiling and then delete it!
the theocratic life and times of theodore jaracz .
by barbara anderson.
[we are doing a special focus on the dark side of brooklyn bethel for a couple of weeks over at freeminds.org].
Wasn't there a piece written on silent lambs some years back, about him being accused by a woman for molestation when he was a c/o?
i'm sure topics like this have already come up but they tend to get hilarious with the absolute absurdity that goes on in the kh.
i was once counseled for not shaving after two days.
i was also counseled by a sister for eating lucky charms cereal.
Not to spin the wheels of my car in the k-hall carpark... "it doesn't consolidate the gravel surface"...
What about some of the bs that I had to counsel people on?... Not to quote worldly sources when giving a talk... Not to play Laser-force... Not to drink sherry before the meetings! [that guy ended up the p/o!!] if i try hard I could think up many more...
Pathetic really
a few months ago i began researching my doubts on the internet about the wtbts and i came across a bunch of crazy facts.
this helped me realize this isn't "the truth.".
when i was growing up, i believed the society was always right, and we needed to obey what was in the publications.
I was the same. I bought it all. I remember going on and on about how no other church had the GB!!! What an idiot. The reason is because is is not scriptural. A self proclaimed title to make the members of it MORE important, holy, better and must be believed over common sense that anyone else.
Arrrrrgggghhhh I can still get mad about it after being 5 years clean!
:-)
i still go to a few meetings a month just to keep members of my family happy.. the witnesses seemed to be getting all worked up about how close the end.
it sorta feels like the 1975 era only 35 years later.
the brother who gave.
When I was a kid in the 60's they used to say it is just around the corner..... then some bright spark changed it to "it not around the corner any more, we are stading right in front, it is staring us headon"...
Fear and Guilt... it never changes.
i was in for 30 years.....my ex was an elder...."holy spirit appointed" he tortured me....i was married 33+ years....you know,,,marriage is sacred...you can leave,,,i know,,,,if abuse is intolerable....but that starts a series of events...etc etc etc....i finally left everything...and moved far away.....people actually believe "holy spirit" appoints people,,,my ex would not pray unless there was an audience...you know,,,,people invited over for supper kind of thing,,,you get the point..... my best friend had a mental breakdown,,,,she basically became psychotic.....had to be hospitalized....she took up smoking,,,got disfellowshipped...and lost all emotional support....to this day,,,,as far as i know,,,she is still disfellowshipped...needs to be hospitialized every so often....she is on complete disability.....and still trying to get back into the org....her mother does support some what,,,,even though she is a witness herself,,,,,takes her to assemblies,,,,memorial,,,etc,,,,this has gone on for years.....she cannot mentally handle the organization,,,nor can she mentally handle not being a witness...lost everything....guilt....etc..... did not mean to ramble on so much......i have mental scars that will not go away....because i stayed in a "mess" for god,,,,i could write page after page of things like the above....as being my "last straw".......curious about you here on the board....any specific "breaking point" or a collection of many things..... thanks for your in put...peaches.
Hi All,
My wife and I were "raised" in the borg. We got out [by means of fading] 5 years ago! [That deserves a cellebration!!] The pedophile issue ripped our blinders off, but it took a few years and some very good books to give us enough information to be strong enough to stop attending.
I had been an elder for 11 years, and thought I understood it all! How dumb can you be? We are so glad to be out of it. What a way NOT to live your life. Our families are wasting their lives away for something that is not ever going to happen.
in my research i have decided to go waaaay back.
so, one of the first things i did was look at the beginnings with regard to charles taze russell.. while this may be old news to many, this is indeed new to me.
and i want to tell this to the jws that are no doubt on here too.. you are an adventist sect.. without posting the expanded (very long) version of my research, i will post the basics that lead me to this conclusion.. how unique are jehovahs witnesses?
Hi Oz,
Good info. If russell were to come back to life today and preach what he did back then even though his dogmas were obviously approved by the christ in 1919 [rutherford hadn't had time to change a great many of them yet] he would be DFed for apostatcy!