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  Do You Regard President Obama In The Same Way As You Did BEFORE The Election?

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  lately, even late night comedians are starting to make fun of the president.. i hear more negatives about the president than ever before---even from his own voters.. (i had high hopes for him when he beat mccain but since then, i believe the president has been a huge disappointment)..

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  The debt vs the deficit - no end in sight and sooner or later the family has to pay off the credit card. sw

  How the Federal Debt and Deficit Are Different:

  The U.S. budget deficit is when Federal spending is greater than the tax revenue received for that year. In Fiscal Year 2014, thebudget deficit was projected to be $744 billion. This ismuch lower than the all-time high of $1.4 trillion reached in FY 2009.

  By the end of 2012, the U.S. Debt was more than $16 trillion. This is more than double the debt in 2000, which was $6 trillion.

  How Does the Deficit Affect the Debt?:

  Each year, the deficit is added to the debt. The Treasury must sell Treasury bonds to raise the money to cover the deficit. This is known as thepublic debt, since these bonds are sold to the public.

  In addition to the public debt, there is the money that the government loans to itself each year. This money is in the form of Government AccountSecurities, and it comes primarily from the Social Security Trust Fund. These loans are not counted as part of the deficit, since they are all within the government. However, as the Baby Boomers retire, they will begin to draw down more Social Security funds than are replaced with payroll taxes. These benefits will need to be paid out of the general fund. This means that either other programs must be cut, taxes must be raised or benefits must be lowered. Unfortunately, legislators have not yet agreed on an effective plan to meet Social Security obligations.

  How Does the Debt Affect the Deficit?:

  The debt affects the deficit in three ways. First, the debt actually gives a better indication of the true deficit each year. You can more accurately gauge the deficit by comparing each year's debt to last year's debt. That's because the budget deficit, as reported in each year's budget, does not include the amount owed to the Social Security Fund. However, this is a debt that will need to be repaid one day, and so the amount borrowed from it is a more accurate description of each year's government liabilities than the reported budget deficit. (Source: St. Louise Federal Reserve, Deficit, Debts and Trust Funds, August 2006)

  Second, the interest on the debt is added to the deficit each year. About 5% of the budget is allocated to debt interest payments. Interest on the debt hit a record in FY 2011, reaching $454 billion. This beat its prior record of $451 billion in FY 2008 -- despite lower interest rates. By the FY 2013 budget, the interest payment dropped to $248 billion, as interest rates fell to a 200-year low. However, as the economy improves, interest rates will rise, probably by 2014. As a result, interest on the debt is projected to quadruple to $850 billion by FY 2021, making it the fourth largest budget item. (See Budget Spending)

  Third, the debt can decrease tax revenue in the long run. This would further increasing the deficit. As the debt continues to grow, creditors can become concerned about how the U.S. government plans to repay it. Over time, these creditors will expect higher interest payments to provide a greater return for their increased perceived risk. Higher interest costs dampen economic growth.

  How Does the Deficit and Debt Affect the Economy?:

  Initially, deficit spending and the resultant debt can increase economic growth. This is especially true in arecession. That's because deficit spending pumpsliquidity into the economy. Whether the money goes to jet fighters, bridges or education, it ramps up production and creates jobs. However, not every dollar creates the same number of jobs. In fact, military spending creates 8,555 jobs for every billion dollars spent. This is less than half the jobs created by that same billion spent on construction. For more, see Unemployment Solutions.

  In the long run, the resultant debt is very damaging to the economy, and not only because of higher interest rates. The U.S. government may be tempted to let the value of the dollar fall so that the debt repayment will be in cheaper dollars, and less expensive. As this happens, foreign governments and investors will be less willing to buy Treasury bonds, forcing interest rates even higher.

  The greatest danger comes from the debt to Social Security. As this debt comes due when Baby Boomers retire, funds will need to found to pay them. Not only could taxes be raised, which would slow the economy, but the loan from the Social Security Trust Fund will stop. More and more of the government's spending will need to be devoted to pay this mandatory cost. This would provide less stimulation, and could further slow the economy. (Article updated April 10, 2013)
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  Water Fluoridation

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  The CDC acknowledges on their own website that fluorosis occurs and they have re-established the guidelines because they admit that over exposure has occured because flluoride isn't just being put in the water but used in other things that accumulate. While one can argue that somehow drinking fluoride is better in avoiding cavities, clearly this isn't the case everywhere or for everyone and one can argue that in the 1 out of every 4 people who end up with dental fluorosis because of excessive fluoride, the cost of bonding, crowns, veneers and basic erosion of the enamel that requires costly and lifetime dental applications, might be a cost they would never have had to bear. sammieswife

  CNN-i report -

  While the “CDC [US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention] has recognized water fluoridation as one of 10 great public health achievements of the 20th century,” the 'public health achievement' is also responsible for, on average in the United States, 41% of young people from 12–15 years having dental fluorosis. Kids in that age range with moderate to severe fluorosis are about 3.6%.

  Looking at percentages alone is a public relations slight of hand, but crunching an actual estimate in real numbers is another story: in the US, approximately 21,403,768 between the ages of 12-15 years have dental fluorosis, and of that, approximately 770,535 have moderate to sever fluorosis or “Garbage Mouths” to be ridiculed, and shunned by their peers.”

  Well, with the others, their social exclusion will all depend on their personal perception and degree of discoloration to the teeth as to the degree and severity of discrimination they will experience from a very young age.

  Interestingly, we have fifty-six years of fluoridation with a constant year on year rise in the incidence of the condition that coincides with the expansion of community water fluoridation. Due to this remarkably successful 'public health achievement,' the total number of victims of this debacle is astronomical and probably as much as one-third of the population.

  The problem is so out of control that recently the CDC recommended lowering the fluoride levels in drinking water to reduce the incidence of dental fluorosis.
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  Water Fluoridation

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  https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2vcgb_pgbte#at=679.

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  I understand you add vitimin A & D to your milk in Canada. As far as I know we don't in NZ. It is added to baby formula though.

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  Thse are vitamins. There are vitamins added to meal replacement powders, power foods for athletes etc and milk and margarine in Canada. I don't drink milk. I don't eat margarine. I have a choice not to. I don't need either of them to live and while I understand the requirements for a child, obviously vitamin D in their milk isn't toxic unlike toothpaste with fluoride in it that children are not to use.

  Fluoride is NOT a vitamin.

  Aspartame is NOT a vitamin and there are lobbyists trying to get the stuff added to chocolate milk - something kids love.

  Many countries choose not to fluoridate their water and instead introduce the substance to those only that need it or request it for a direct personal use.

  That's the way it should be done.

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  Do You Regard President Obama In The Same Way As You Did BEFORE The Election?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  lately, even late night comedians are starting to make fun of the president.. i hear more negatives about the president than ever before---even from his own voters.. (i had high hopes for him when he beat mccain but since then, i believe the president has been a huge disappointment)..

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  Why are you disappointed in him ie - what promises were you hoping he would keep or changes he would make that he didn't? From your own perspective?

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  Water Fluoridation

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  Some people question the money made or profit in regard to fluoride. The substance is a waste product - from aluminimum, steel etc. The waste product would cost the companies a lot of money to dispose of according to environmental guidelines however, if it is packaged and sold as a medicinal substance - that waste now becomes a profit instead of a loss. Smart? Sure for the company. Getting politicians and countries to buy into the fact that a waste product from aluminim is good for the public and then contracting to sell them your waste now repackaged as 'medicine' is a stroke of genius. Further getting the people to buy into it is amazing - imagine, being able to medicate whole countries with your garbage and getting them to pay for that garbage so you still get a profit! Way to go! No brainer there!

  If people were so vested in using fluoride, then those people should be able to go and get it and use it. I guess those same people should be able to go and buy lead paint for their crafts if they want - or coat their water pipes with lead ..bottom line is that this is not a need for good health for all people. Target those people who choose to ingest fluoride instead of medicating and poisoning everyone. sammieswife

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  Fluoride is the ionic form of fluorine. Some common forms compounds are hexafluoric acid, sodium fluoride, and calcium fluoride.

  Uses

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  Although fluoride naturally exists as calcium fluoride (CaF 2 ), other fluoride complexes derived from man-made resources increase environmental fluoride levels and our own exposure to fluoride. Fluoride is used often in pesticides, dentistry, and is added to municipal water supplies to prevent cavities in the community.
  
  Current commercial toothpaste is fortified with sodium monofluorophosphate or sodium fluoride. Fluoride toothpaste and water fluoridation have been touted by some health organizations as major contributors to dental caries reduction in the United States and arguably a public health success.
  
  Several fluoridation additives are used in treating drinking water in the United States, the most common of which are, in order, hexafluorosilicic acid (H 2 SiF 6 ), sodium fluoride (NaF), and sodium hexafluorosilicic acid (Na 2 SiF 6 ). Sources of fluoridating agents can be found naturally in volcanic ash and as fluorite and apatite in geological mineral deposits (#Urbansky, 2002). While small-scale water treatment utilities use NaF, larger ones operate with high quantities of fluorosilicates, whose lowered costs make up for its greater handling expenses (#Urbansky, 2002). The demand for fluoride additives benefits companies that can market their waste products as fluoridating agents to water utilities. Industries such as USSteel, DuPPont, Alcoa, Allied Chemical, and the Florida phosphate fertilizer industry all profit from selling fluoride byproducts they have generated (#Kauffman, 2005).
  
  Various other forms of organic and inorganic fluoride complexes such as acetyl fluoride (CHCOF) and liquid hydrofluoric acid i.e. hydrogen fluoride gas (HF) can increase fluoride in water, too. Care should be taken when investigating potential fluoride sources, however, as not all chemical substances containing the element fluorine necessarily yield fluoride ions. Teflon polymer is composed of -CF 2 -, whose chemical structure offers great stability and so does not readily produce fluoride ions (#Kauffman, 2005). Fluorine-containing chemical groups incorporated into drugs serve the purpose of slowing drug metabolization in the body (#Kauffman, 2005). The likelihood of fluoride contribution from fluorine in drugs is debatable. Synthetic and natural substances with fluorine or fluoride display a variety of chemical structures, which affect the chemical properties of each substances and thus, the degree to which the substances act as fluoride-releasing agents.

  Pharmacology and Metabolism

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  Fluoride ions convert to hydrofluoric acid in the gut. Around 50% of the fluoride is excreted in urine while a minute is excreted through saliva and sweat. The half life of these ions is short (1-5 hours).
  
  Fluoride accumulates in people most often if they have impaired kidney function. The ions settle in the bones and teeth (#Limeback and Gingrich, 2007).

  Health Effects

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  The health effects of fluoride is contentious. It has generally been thought that small levels offluoride (0.7 - 1.2 ppm in drinking water for example) increase bone density and increase calcium fluorapatite in teeth which is generally thought to lead to fewer cavities. Fluoride regulation in drinking water supplies at the .7 - 1.2 ppm level is recommended still by the American Dental Association and the World Health Organization. But, many are beginning to believe that chronic fluoride exposure can lead to liver damage, kidney damage, and dental fluorosis among other things. Amidst these negative findings, the American Academy of Allergy and Immunology, the American Academy of Diabetes, the American Cancer Society, the American Diabetes Association, the American Nurses Association, the American Psychiatric Association, the National Kidney Foundation, and the Society of Toxicology have discounted fluoride as a beneficial additive and no longer support its use (#Kauffman, 2005). Additionally there is an ethical argument surrounding city officials adding fluoride to drinking water supplies.
  
  Fluoride is one of the most highly toxic substances present in our environment today. There are many different levels of toxicity:
  
  Acute
  In areas where fluoride compounds are naturally elevated in the drinking water, fluorosis are common (#Limeback and Gingerich, 2007).
  
  Exposure levels of 1-5 mg/kg body weight can create acute fluoride toxicity symptoms such as nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, abdominal pain, and in rare cases cardiac arrhythmias and death (#Fallon, 2006). Acute ingestion of fluoride can be fatal. Skin or eye contact with gaseous fluoride results in irritation of the skin or eyes.
  
  Chronic
  Fluoride is everywhere. It is present as a mineral and is ubiquitously present in natural water sources throughout the world. It is also added to toothpaste to prevent cavities and decay. The most common problem associated with fluoride exposure is fluorosis.
  
  Dental fluorosis occurs in areas with a fluoride exposure level higher than 1.0 ppm (#Fallon, 2006). Fluoride intake can cause mild symptoms such as white, opaque mottling of teeth and enamel wear. At higher levels of exposure, severe dental fluorosis occurs with pronounced brown or black discoloration and pitting of teeth. Staining only happens with developing teeth below the gum line. As such, any noticeable characteristic of dental fluorosis only indicates the fluoride exposure level an individual has had up to age 8-10 (#Meenakshi, 2006). Dental fluorosis symptoms, in effect, are more of a time capsule rather than a present indicator of fluoride exposure and may fail to determine alone whether adults currently suffer from excessive fluoride intake. Additionally, although fluoride fosters bone formation, the new bones develop abnormally (#Fallon, 2006).
  
  Skeletal fluorosis happens at the advanced stage of fluorosis. Fluoride deposits in the joints of the neck, knees, pelvic and shoulder bones and hinders movement. In the early stages, back stiffness, burning sensations, tingling or prickling, and muscle weakness arise and irregular calcium deposits show up in ligaments and bones. Advanced skeletal fluorosis creates osteoporosis, growth of bony spikes at the joint, vertebral fusion, and even osteosarcoma (bone cancer). Damage to the entire musculoskeletal and nervous systems marks the end stage of advanced fluorosis (#Meenakshi, 2006).
  
  Overexposure to fluoride affects more than just bone and teeth. It can cause physical damage to human physiology by lowering hemoglobin count, distorting red blood cell shape, suppressing immunity, destroying enzymes and disrupting the normal mechanisms of the excretory, digestive, and respiratory systems (#Meenakshi, 2006). Children who drank water with fluoride levels exceeding 2.0 mg/L had kidney and liver function damage, the latter independent of dental fluorosis (#Xiong et al., 2007). Excessive fluoride intake can also cause mental harm in the forms of depression, nervousness and symptoms similar to those of Alzheimer's disease as well as reproductive harm such as male sterility, still birth, and abortion (#Meenakshi, 2006).
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  Water Fluoridation

  by still thinking in

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  https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2vcgb_pgbte#at=679.

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  ******According to a 2006 report on water fluoridation produced by the US National Research Council, the benefits from fluoride are topical only, and cannot be achieved through ingestion. It also detailed positive associations between fluoride ingestion and bone fractures, cancer, reduced IQ and dementia.

  Meanwhile, the American Dental Association (ADA), which is mired in conflicts of interest with the amalgam industry, has had “amalgam safety” and “universal water fluoridation” as their top two highest goals for their National Oral Health Agenda 2 as of 2009. Furthermore, the ADA, one of the most influential trade lobbies in the US 3, 4 believes that: 5

  “All communal water supplies containing less than the optimal level of fluoride should be adjusted to an optimum level. Toward this end, the ADA is urging Congress and state legislators to make capacity-building funds readily available to help communities establish, upgrade and maintain an effective public water fluoridation infrastructure.”

  The ADA spent $2.56 million on their lobbying efforts last year, and more than half of its lobbyists (11 out of 20) have previously held government jobs, 6 again demonstrating the revolving doors between government and industry. This is a key feature found among most highly effective lobbying groups.

  The ADA is also one of the most secretive when it comes to its funding. It was one of just a handful of groups that declined to provide information to The Chronicle about their responses to Senator Charles E. Grassley, who in 2009 asked 33 nonprofit health and medical groups to report how much money they received from pharmaceutical, medical-device, and insurance companies, and how they disclose such information to the public. 7, 8

  The association has also spent much of its time defending the dental profession against lawsuits that charge the mercury used in fillings causes health problems.

  The ADA has close ties with the world’s leading supplier of dental mercury (amalgam) fillings, Henry Schein, and has steadfastly refused to admit that placing neurotoxic mercury in your mouth might not be a good idea. In recent years, many dentists have reconsidered this archaic practice and about half of all American dentists are now mercury-free, but the ADA’s dismissal of the evidence has led to low-income children being disproportionately harmed. Amalgam is still the primary filling material used in many underprivileged children due to it being the least expensive alternative. Henry Schein also makes sure uninsured children receive their toxic wares via “charity” programs like the annual Give Kids a Smile program 9 to which it donates dental supplies.
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  Water Fluoridation

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  By Dr. Mercola

  Water fluoridation is considered one of the most notable advancements in public health, and cities around the US spend millions adding fluoride to communal water supplies each year.

  99 percent of that fluoridated water ends up on your lawn and in your toilet, where it’s really nothing but an environmental pollutant. Then there’s the issue of safety when ingested on a daily basis...

  An increasing number of dentists and scientists are raising serious concerns about these chemicals, which by the way have never been approved by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) — the agency responsible for food and drug safety.

  Many do not realize that fluoride is a drug that is available only with a prescription. Yet it's added to municipal water supplies used by more than 180 million Americans, including infants and the elderly without any attention to personalized dosing or potential interactions.

  This is a significant problem, because once you add it to the water supply, you have no way of determining how much of the drug any particular person will consume on any given day.

  Also consider this: It is illegal, medical malpractice, and unethical for a physician to prescribe a drug without specifying dosage, and to fail to monitor your health for side effects from the drug.

  Yet, your water authority is not only allowed, but encouraged to add a toxic drug — fluoride — to your drinking water without your consent and without any way of knowing who in your household is drinking it, how much, and the effect it is having.

  Worse yet, while scientific studies have been done on pharmaceutical grade fluoride, none have been made on the fluoride that is actually used for water fluoridation. This chemical (hexafluorosilicic acid) is an industrial waste product that is likely to be even more toxic than medical grade fluoride.

  It’s illegal to dump it into rivers and lakes or release the parent gases into the atmosphere. In fact, municipalities that decided to stop fluoridating their water had to keep going until all the chemicals were used up because they couldn’t afford the hazardous waste disposal fees!

  Dr. William Hirzy from the EPA has even pointed out that if it goes into the air, it's a pollutant. If it goes into the local water, it's pollution. But if the public water utilities buy it and purposely pour it in our drinking water, it's no longer a pollutant. All of a sudden, by some magic sleight of hand, it's a beneficial public health measure...
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  Water Fluoridation

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  sammielee24

  Not having toxins put in your water should be a human right. It should be the right of all people to be able to drink water that is not purposely altered by artificial substances. Water is the basic food for life - why the heck should humans have the right to put junk in it because they can't take care of their own teeth themselves? So if half the population needs cholestral drugs are you okay with putting those drugs in the water so you can medicate everyone else? How about half the population that now faces type 2 diabetes - let's put drugs in the water and everyone can benefit. Fluoride is, if you believe the use for cavities, considered a medicinal substance? If that's the case, what right has anyone to medicate an entire population because a few people might need it? sammieswife

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  Almost all of Europe has now removed fluoride from the water supply either dur to health concerns or has refused the attempts to place it in the water to begin with. In order to verify the fluoridation status, please click on the link for the original source document discussing the issue.

  European counties rejecting fluoride

  November 2004: After months of consulation, Scotland - which is currently unfluoridated - rejected plans to add fluoride to the nation's water. April 9, 2003: The City Parliament of Basel, Switzerland voted 73 to 23 to stop Basel's 41 year water fluoridation program. Basel was the only city in Switzerland to fluoridate its water, and the only city in continental western Europe, outside of a few areas in Spain. Germany: "Generally, in Germany fluoridation of drinking water is forbidden. The relevant German law allows exceptions to the fluoridation ban on application. The argumentation of the Federal Ministry of Health against a general permission of fluoridation of drinking water is the problematic nature of compuls[ory] medication." (Gerda Hankel-Khan, Embassy of Federal Republic of Germany, September 16, 1999).fluoridealert.org/germany.jpeg. France: "Fluoride chemicals are not included in the list [of 'chemicals for drinking water treatment']. This is due to ethical as well as medical considerations." (Louis Sanchez, Directeur de la Protection de l'Environment, August 25, 2000). fluoridealert.org/france.jpeg Belgium: "This water treatment has never been of use in Belgium and will never be (we hope so) into the future. The main reason for that is the fundamental position of the drinking water sector that it is not its task to deliver medicinal treatment to people. This is the sole responsibility of health services." (Chr. Legros, Directeur, Belgaqua, Brussels, Belgium, February 28, 2000). fluoridation.com/c-belgium.htm. Luxembourg: "Fluoride has never been added to the public water supplies in Luxembourg. In our views, the drinking water isn't the suitable way for medicinal treatment and that people needing an addition of fluoride can decide by their own to use the most appropriate way, like the intake of fluoride tablets, to cover their [daily] needs." (Jean-Marie RIES, Head, Water Department, Administration De L'Environment, May 3, 2000).www.fluoridealert.org/luxembourg.jpeg Finland: "We do not favor or recommend fluoridation of drinking water. There are better ways of providing the fluoride our teeth need." (Paavo Poteri, Acting Managing Director, Helsinki Water, Finland, February 7, 2000).www.fluoridation.com/c-finland.htm "Artificial fluoridation of drinking water supplies has been practiced in Finland only in one town, Kuopio, situated in eastern Finland and with a population of about 80,000 people (1.6% of the Finnish population). Fluoridation started in 1959 and finished in 1992 as a result of the resistance of local population. The most usual grounds for the resistance presented in this context were an individual's right to drinking water without additional chemicals used for the medication of limited population groups. A concept of "force-feeding" was also mentioned. Drinking water fluoridation is not prohibited in Finland but no municipalities have turned out to be willing to practice it. Water suppliers, naturally, have always been against dosing of fluoride chemicals into water."(Leena Hiisvirta, M.Sc., Chief Engineer, Ministry of Social Affairs and Health, Finland, January 12, 1996.)www.fluoridealert.org/finland.jpeg Denmark: "We are pleased to inform you that according to the Danish Ministry of Environment and Energy, toxic fluorides have never been added to the public water supplies. Consequently, no Danish city has ever been fluoridated." (Klaus Werner, Royal Danish Embassy, Washington DC, December 22, 1999). Norway: "In Norway we had a rather intense discussion on this subject some 20 years ago, and the conclusion was that drinking water should not be fluoridated." (Truls Krogh & Toril Hofshagen, Folkehelsa Statens institutt for folkeheise (National Institute of Public Health) Oslo, Norway, March 1, 2000).www.fluoridation.com/c-norway.htm Sweden: "Drinking water fluoridation is not allowed in Sweden...New scientific documentation or changes in dental health situation that could alter the conclusions of the Commission have not been shown." (Gunnar Guzikowski, Chief Government Inspector, Livsmedels Verket -- National Food Administration Drinking Water Division, Sweden, February 28, 2000). www.fluoridation.com/c-sweden.htm Netherlands: "From the end of the 1960s until the beginning of the 1970s drinking water in various places in the Netherlands was fluoridated to prevent caries. However, in its judgement of 22 June 1973 in case No. 10683 (Budding and co. versus the City of Amsterdam) the Supreme Court (Hoge Road) ruled there was no legal basis for fluoridation. After that judgement, amendment to the Water Supply Act was prepared to provide a legal basis for fluoridation. During the process it became clear that there was not enough support from Parlement [sic] for this amendment and the proposal was withdrawn." (Wilfred Reinhold, Legal Advisor, Directorate Drinking Water, Netherlands, January 15, 2000). www.fluoridation.com/c-netherlands.htm Northern Ireland: "The water supply in Northern Ireland has never been artificially fluoridated except in 2 small localities where fluoride was added to the water for about 30 years up to last year. Fluoridation ceased at these locations for operational reasons. At this time, there are no plans to commence fluoridation of water supplies in Northern Ireland." (C.J. Grimes, Department for Regional Development, Belfast, November 6, 2000). Austria: "Toxic fluorides have never been added to the public water supplies in Austria." (M. Eisenhut, Head of Water Department, Osterreichische Yereinigung fur das Gas-und Wasserfach Schubertring 14, A-1015 Wien, Austria, February 17, 2000). Czech Republic: "Since 1993, drinking water has not been treated with fluoride in public water supplies throughout the Czech Republic. Although fluoridation of drinking water has not actually been proscribed it is not under consideration because this form of supplementation is considered: uneconomical (only 0.54% of water suitable for drinking is used as such; the remainder is employed for hygiene etc. Furthermore, an increasing amount of consumers (particularly children) are using bottled water for drinking (underground water usually with fluor) unecological (environmental load by a foreign substance) unethical ("forced medication") toxicologically and phyiologically debateable (fluoridation represents an untargeted form of supplementation which disregards actual individual intake and requirements and may lead to excessive health-threatening intake in certain population groups; [and] complexation of fluor in water into non biological active forms of fluor." (Dr. B. Havlik, Ministerstvo Zdravotnictvi Ceske Republiky, October 14, 1999). www.fluoridealert.org/czech.jpeg

  Q2: I heard that Europe offers fluoride in it's salt. Isn't that the same as fluoridating the water supply?

  A2: Yes, some European counties offer salt with fluoride. This allows anyone whio still wishes to ingest fluoride do so and be able to regulate the dose or not use it at all. Offering the public a choice of purchasing fluoride in salt permits Europeans to follow their health care provider's advice, their own medical needs and their own preferences and not be forcibly medicated. However, France has now banned even salt products containing fluoride removing even the choice of it's residents to use fluoride because of health concerns.
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  Water Fluoridation

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  sammielee24

  Bottom line. The water system that every life source must depend on to survive, should not be purposely tainted or altered with a toxic substance aka fluoride.

  There have been smaller studies that are now sourcing the use of fluoride to increasing numbers of alzheimers..of course the scientific community and health community will argue for another twenty years when in fact, they could stop dumping the crap in the water tomorrow and do in lab clinical studies instead. Money talks.

  Following is an article from the Harvard Publich Health -

  Impact of fluoride on neurological development in children

  HSPH FEATURES

  July 25, 2012 — For years health experts have been unable to agree on whether fluoride in the drinking water may be toxic to the developing human brain. Extremely high levels of fluoride are known to cause neurotoxicity in adults, and negative impacts on memory and learning have been reported in rodent studies, but little is known about the substance’s impact on children’s neurodevelopment. In a meta-analysis, researchers from Harvard School of Public Health (HSPH) and China Medical University in Shenyang for the first time combined 27 studies and found strong indications that fluoride may adversely affect cognitive development in children. Based on the findings, the authors say that this risk should not be ignored, and that more research on fluoride’s impact on the developing brain is warranted.

  The study (also available at this link) was published online in Environmental Health Perspectives on July 20, 2012.

  The researchers conducted a systematic review of studies, almost all of which are from China where risks from fluoride are well-established. Fluoride is a naturally occurring substance in groundwater, and exposures to the chemical are increased in some parts of China. Virtually no human studies in this field have been conducted in the U.S., said lead author Anna Choi, research scientist in the Department of Environmental Health at HSPH.

  Even though many of the studies on children in China differed in many ways or were incomplete, the authors consider the data compilation and joint analysis an important first step in evaluating the potential risk. “For the first time we have been able to do a comprehensive meta-analysis that has the potential for helping us plan better studies. We want to make sure that cognitive development is considered as a possible target for fluoride toxicity,” Choi said.

  Choi and senior author Philippe Grandjean, adjunct professor of environmental health at HSPH, and their colleagues collated the epidemiological studies of children exposed to fluoride from drinking water. The China National Knowledge Infrastructure database also was included to locate studies published in Chinese journals. They then analyzed possible associations with IQ measures in more than 8,000 children of school age; all but one study suggested that high fluoride content in water may negatively affect cognitive development.

  The average loss in IQ was reported as a standardized weighted mean difference of 0.45, which would be approximately equivalent to seven IQ points for commonly used IQ scores with a standard deviation of 15.* Some studies suggested that even slightly increased fluoride exposure could be toxic to the brain. Thus, children in high-fluoride areas had significantly lower IQ scores than those who lived in low-fluoride areas. The children studied were up to 14 years of age, but the investigators speculate that any toxic effect on brain development may have happened earlier, and that the brain may not be fully capable of compensating for the toxicity.

  “Fluoride seems to fit in with lead, mercury, and other poisons that cause chemical brain drain,” Grandjean says. “The effect of each toxicant may seem small, but the combined damage on a population scale can be serious, especially because the brain power of the next generation is crucial to all of us.”

  * This sentence was updated on September 5, 2012.
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  sammielee24

  All this derision. All this 'conspiracy' finger pointing.

  I should remind you that there have been many 'conspiracies'..and many people who questioned many things that have turned out to be fact and some people in some communities actually go so far as to say that those who condemn 'conspiracy theorists'..are themselves the problem because they lack the wherewithall to look at 'what ifs' and instead often choose to conform to norms presented to them as fact. I'm not saying it's the case - but I'm saying that others are saying it.

  As for taking a bunch of bags of powered stuff that is clearly labelled as toxic - it says so on the pictures of the bags - and dumping all that powder into all your waters just because you want to stop kids from getting cavities - and then believing that its perfectly okay to dump that junk in all your water because somebody told you so is well - really rather insane.

  The biggest problem is that you have no idea how much fluoride you are ingesting or absorbing at any given time and you wouldn't know if that additional fluoride you just got exposed to puts you in the toxic range or not. Addressing the stomach problems in the USA is somewhere around a 13 billion dollar industry - you think you would want to try something different - like maybe addressing the junk in the water that you ingest that just might be partially to blame for all those costs - sammieswife

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  Excess fluoride consumption has been studied as a factor in the following:

  • A weakening of bones, leading to an increase in hip and wrist fracture. At the level used in fluoridated water, decreased fractures are expected, [14] but the U.S. National Research Council found the overall evidence "suggestive but inadequate for drawing firm conclusions about the risk or safety of exposures at [2 mg/L]", but states that fractures do seem to increase as fluoride is increased from 1 mg/L to 4 mg/L, suggesting a "continuous exposure-effect" dose-response relationship at these levels. [17] :170

  • Adverse effects on the kidney. Within the recommended dose, no effects are expected, but chronic ingestion in excess of 12 mg/day are expected to cause adverse effects, and an intake that high is possible when fluoride levels are around 4 mg/L. [17] :281 Those with impaired kidney function are more susceptible to adverse effects. [17] :292

  • Four epidemiological studies have noted a correlation between increased fluoride and low IQ. [17] :205–223 The most rigorous of these compared an area with mean water concentration of 0.36 ± 0.15 mg/L (range 0.18–0.76 mg/L) to an area with 2.47 ± 0.79 mg/L (range 0.57–4.50 mg/L). Most of these studies did not publish important details, making them difficult to evaluate. If these correlations are caused by fluoride, the mechanism is not known, but the National Research Council speculates that effects on the thyroid could lead to poor test results. [17] :208 Two Chinese meta-analyses which included the previously mentioned studies have also noted this correlation. [20] [21] The high-fluoride areas studied had fluoride levels above those used in water fluoridation.

  • The NRC report stated that "many of the untoward effects of fluoride are due to the formation of AlFx [aluminum fluoride] complexes". [17] :219 This topic has been identified previously as cause for concern. [22] The NRC noted that rats administered fluoride had twice as much aluminum in their brains. [17] :212 When water (1 ppm fluoride) is boiled in aluminum cookware more aluminum is leached and more aluminum fluoride complexes are formed. However, an epidemiological study found that a high-fluoride area had one-fifth the Alzheimer's that a low-fluoride area had, [23] and a 2002 study found that fluoride increased the urinary excretion of aluminum. [24]

  • Fluoride's suppressive effect on the thyroid is more severe when iodine is deficient, and fluoride is associated with lower levels of iodine. [22] Thyroid effects in humans were associated with fluoride levels 0.05–0.13 mg/kg/day when iodine intake was adequate and 0.01–0.03 mg/kg/day when iodine intake was inadequate. [17] :263 Its mechanisms and effects on the endocrine system remain unclear. [17] :266