Posts by Raphael

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Faith Healing

by Van Jay in

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friends

ok. so i am checking out this church (everyone is going to be so sick of me talking about this, but hey what's this site for anyway?).

this church

is a church that is "lead by the spirit".

Heathen , you are correct about the soliciting of money, that very often takes place when faith and healing are involved..this would be a blatant misuse of the gifts of the spirit...It would be equivalent to a situation that occured in Pauls day, when I think a convert called Simeon (correct me if wrong) tried to pay the Apostles for the gift..and he was condemned in the strongest possible terms...

Any supposed faith healing where money is involved is not from God...Those that are involved in this sort of thing are among those condemned by Christ as workers of lawlessness...regardless of how successful the healing may be...

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Steaming Angry - Forced to explain Shunning to my 5year old daughter!!!

by chok in

i am absolutely hopping mad angry!!!!.

to those of you who know me, you are aware that i have been fading for over a year now.

i have a daughter who is 5 and a son who is 2 y. in brief iast year i separated from my husband, left the organisation, met someone else and am now expecting with my new partner.. well i have had the usual ups and downs with my jw family.

Raphael

We all know that JW theology teaches members to hate those that abandon the faith, many on this forum if they are honest will have to admit that they also at one time treated others in this way...love is only extended in a very limited way towards "unbelievers" or persons whom are not and never have been JW's.

Worse still ...when individuals try to work towards re-instatement, they are treated like spiritual lepers and the humiliation they have to endure before being welcomed back into the org is a disgrace...it reflects the attitude of the brother in the parable of the prodigal son and not the compassion of the father who ran out to meet his son , while still along way off...

Instead of the loving shepherd...warmly and gently embracing the lamb that had strayed...Watchtower shepherds beat the sheep that have strayed instilling fear and dread into their flock...

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Do Jehovah's Witnesses keep records on people?

by inquirer in

i have known some people (i dont' know if it's true or not) [and i am the kind of person that doesn't like to cause trouble] who have said that jehovah's witnesses keep tabs/records on people.

all the things they have done like if they got babtized, personal problems/experiences, arguments they may had with people, and just their general conduct as well.

have any people here found out about a "black book" where they keep records on you?

Raphael

Hi u/d...your post had me rolling on the floor with laughter.Although serious ...and it sounds like you went through hell with your wife, it was funny cos it made me realise just how mindless the whole WBTS system really is, and how we all bought into that at one time...confessing our sins to dirty and obviously very randy old men who probably did get off on a lot of what they heard.

When I was in my teens I had a "problem" with masturbation...I eventually confided in an elder...who counselled me told me how wicked it was , but that I would be forgiven if I was repentant. He said a prayer and told me he would check up on me periodically to see how I was progressing..well about 6 months went by, he never made any checks and I continued to have a "problem" , so I went back to him ...well , biggest mistake ...he threatened to call Bethel, tell all the other elders in the congregation ..and said that I could be disfellowshipped if the problem persisted (in hind sight I think he was trying to scare me into giving up this nasty habit) ... I asked him to pray wih me ..his answer was we have already been down this path...you are just going to have to try harder...he was very harsh, unloving and when I got home I was ready to slit my wrists , I felt like the worst sinner in the world...

I wonder if a file was opened....possibly under the title "wank and file"

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Faith Healing

by Van Jay in

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friends

ok. so i am checking out this church (everyone is going to be so sick of me talking about this, but hey what's this site for anyway?).

this church

is a church that is "lead by the spirit".

Raphael

Jesus certainly does warn that there would be false prophets , who would perform powerful works in his name ...I undersatnd these works would include healing...the scriptures also teach that Satan transforms himself into an angel of light...he will seemingly do good if it achieves his purpose in futher deception of the masses..hence it is wise to test every spirit...a christian is lead by Holy Spirit and the Spirit gives discernment in this area.

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Do Jehovah's Witnesses keep records on people?

by inquirer in

i have known some people (i dont' know if it's true or not) [and i am the kind of person that doesn't like to cause trouble] who have said that jehovah's witnesses keep tabs/records on people.

all the things they have done like if they got babtized, personal problems/experiences, arguments they may had with people, and just their general conduct as well.

have any people here found out about a "black book" where they keep records on you?

Raphael

Actually , I was told the details on the files are very graphic ...if for example it's a case dealing with fornication...they make a note of what positions the act was in, how many orgasms...was it one or were they multiple...how long the act took place...

I suppose they try and determine the extent to which the couple enjoyed themselves...so I'm guessing some of these file read like an xxx - rated bodice ripper ...

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why had the WTS got all these laboratrys for?

by lurk in

just wondering what why a religious group would have laboratories for?

its clincial (not photo labs sids they get photos from photoaim).

http://www.health.state.ny.us/nysdoh/hcra/provider/provlab3.htm .

Raphael

Perhaps it research on the latest brainwashing techniques..or maybe a kinda Watchtower and Awake stink bomb ..when its dropped it makes people wanna get the latest copy of the magazines, they just cant resist...

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Do Jehovah's Witnesses keep records on people?

by inquirer in

i have known some people (i dont' know if it's true or not) [and i am the kind of person that doesn't like to cause trouble] who have said that jehovah's witnesses keep tabs/records on people.

all the things they have done like if they got babtized, personal problems/experiences, arguments they may had with people, and just their general conduct as well.

have any people here found out about a "black book" where they keep records on you?

Raphael

Absolutely true...they love their records...

Many years ago, back in a local congregation in South Africa, I was befriended by an elders son...he openly admitted to me that when dad was away , he would secretly break into the cabinet where the files were kept and read up on various committee cases...he would give us all the gossip, who had been commtting fornication and adultery , who had had been privately reproved...also a case of incest, a ministerial servant had made his 16 year old step daughter pregnant and he was also caught having sexual relations with his own daughter who at the time was probably around 11 ..WE WERE LATER TOLD HE HAD MADE HIS OWN SISTER PREGNANT years earlier , they had ,had 5 children together...this man had been raised as a Witness!!

Of course when it had come to light that my buddy had been breaking into the cabinet..he was reprimanded, but as dad was an elder he got off lightly...if it had been any body else , I'm convinced it would have been a severe reproofing.

I would therefore advise any who plan on confessing some grave sin to the elders to think twice...it's likely to come back and bite you on the ass...when u least expect it.

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RESTORATION OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST IN END TIMES

by Raphael in

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friends

.

could this be it.

i challenge everyone on this forum to go and check out a new frontiers church in their area.. .

Raphael

Could this be it

www.newfrontiers.xtn.org

I challenge everyone on this forum to go and check out a New Frontiers Church in their area.

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Faith Healing

by Van Jay in

jw
friends

ok. so i am checking out this church (everyone is going to be so sick of me talking about this, but hey what's this site for anyway?).

this church

is a church that is "lead by the spirit".

Raphael

Hi Van Jay...

Please check out this website www.newfrontiers.xtn.org

I was a devout second generation Witness for many years...fell away when I was in my early twenties, and was eventually DF'd..about 2 years ago I tried to make a move back, still believing without any doubt that it was "The Truth".

Then three months ago, for some obscure unknown reason, I had an intense desire to visit a church I had always been curious about...what I saw and heard just blew me away...there was no uncontrolled out burst of emotion...the bible was used throughout the service..I could not fault what I was hearing. I did not want to leave the buliding ...I felt a presence there, I had not experienced in all my years attending Witnesses meetings..was this the peace of God , that the bible describes as excelling all thought?

I heard a man speak in tongues and to my amazement, a second person interpret that tongue...I heard individuals prophesy and then men and women going forward to receive healing, I personally walked away from one of those meetings healed from a bowel condition I had , had for many months without going forward I was simply in the audience and God touched my life in a very special way that day, without me even asking.

1 Cor 13...speaks of gifts of the spirit being done away with when that which is complete arrives...this I understand is when the entire body of believers in Christ are glorified at his second comming...until that occurs the works of the spirit will continue , just as promised in scripture.

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Curiosity Question about Leaving the Dubs

by ESTEE in

when you left (by disfellowshipping, disassociation, or a slow fade) did you still keep all the old beliefs you had in the borg?.

which ones did you shed, if any?.

love,.

Raphael

Interesting posts...

I still wont eat blood or rather anything that has blood added i.e black pudding etc.

Still believe that it's wrong to go to war ...so choose to be a pacifist, however, think I understand the just war theory put forward by some christians.

Deffinatelty believe that Jesus is the messiah...no doubt there..to much evidence in support of his existence, both secular and spiritual...

Keeping an open mind about the rest.