For the first time, I saw them clearly, not as God’s representatives on earth, but a bunch of ego-fed men, knowing they had power over me.
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Bodhisattva
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Losing my religion
by Dogpatch inpassing this on.... .
losing my religion.
it was 1994, my first year in college, well, my first year in four-year college, anyway.
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Is this how we want to be perceived?
by Joyzabel inthis quote is from someone who lurks on jwd!
sorry for the long email, but this has been therapeutic and i just may post this on the db one day.
(lol) but i have to get up the nerve, because those people can be a little mean at times.
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As to the letter from a brother, two points. First, silentlambs already tried the kid gloves route of trying to bring attention to this problem without being critical of the WTS otherwise. We saw what it got him, and how quickly the pat WTS answer of 'you should focus on something else' came to the fore.
Second, the mass of responses to articles about molestation by Catholic priests, including that by Catholics, has called for abolishing the celibacy requirement or allowing women in the priesthood, which would address both the misogyny prevalent in the hierarchy and the shortage of priests. Putting aside from the argument that child sexual abuse is more about power than about sexuality, it is only realistic to expect people to point fingers at forbidding to marry and limiting the roll of women. After all, these policies are simply wrong from a modern viewpoint.
Likewise is it only realistic to expect fingers to be pointed at the policies of "protecting the congregation" - which quickly devolves into protecting the organization, not the individual members - and shunning, and the bad implementation with the two witnesses rule that essentially requires waiting for a predator to abuse a second child, or several more until one comes forward. These are dumb-ass policies and, like those mentioned in regard to priests, contribute to the problem.
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Downsizing Rumor is Confirmed
by metatron ingot more information recently.. brooklyn bethel is downsizing , bigtime.. first, they are moving a lot of printing out of brooklyn.
and into "regional" branches, perhaps closer to where.
the material is distributed.
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Seeker, that pisses me off. I know my parents have broken their backs working in that orchard, and are in no physical shape to do so. When I first heard about it, I asked my father when he became a migrant worker, but he insisted he wanted to do it. Yeah, like I wanted to guard Turnersville. Anyway, good business sense means you invest in anything that has a positive return. If its outside your core competency, it generally won't. But when you can't do better farming citrus in Florida with no paid workforce, while the commercial farms often must house workers anyway, they suck at bussines management as much as at prophecy.
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Being Deceived
by Dawn inwhat an interesting group here!
i have a question to toss out to those of you who were once active jw's that are now born again.. i was a "zealous" jw - raised as one and was an aux pioneer, etc.
my whole family is jw's (elders, etc.).
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Jesus said that the sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath. To me, this should be extended to all religious activities. If you're finding the fellowship you need, if you're getting more out than you're putting in, and everyone else is doing the same, then you have found a promising situation.
Any church that serves coffee and donuts is cool with me.
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My Dad sent me this; anyone got a sick-bag?
by Abaddon injunk dubbie mail from my dear dad (who i have quite a good relationship with, as i can ignore stuff like this);.
subject: satan's convention----theme: "keep them busy".
satan called a worldwide convention.
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"sacrificing their health and family"
It is satanic to sacrifice one's health and family for worthless efforts. Worshipping Brooklyn, for instance.
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Satan's Time Lessens
by Yadirf insatan's time lessens
the wts is the closest thing to the restoration of true worship that exists on the face of the earth today, all it needs now is to be perfected.
and it certainly has its enemies.
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Yadirf -
In your original post you indicate that Satan's confinement to the vicinity of the Earth is still to come. Doesn't this undermine much of the Watchtower's chronology?
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Appreciate Russell's Writing's !! W/t 04/2002
by Latte inw/t april 15,2002 p.28.
two pastors who appreciated russells writings.
as observed in 1925 by remigio cuminetti, banchetti showed much sympathy for the work of the bible students and was fully convinced of the doctrines as explained by them.. on one occasion.
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SIX VOLUMES?!? What about the seventh? True, it wasn't really Russell's, but it was to be held in the same esteem. Or since they repudiated it a couple years ago in a study article, are they free to change 77-year-old quotes?
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JWs and Job Centres
by badboy ini wonder how many jws are aware that job centres formerly known as labour exchanges were started by the sally army(salvation army!)..
should a jw therefore enter a job centre because of its connections with chritendom?.
they might be demons lurking in the dark corners of a job centre!
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Interesting idea. I often find myself wondering about laws but with no clear path to find out about them. Should I write to my state attorney general about what I feel is inappropriate telemarketing, will I get a reply? Doubtful. I wrote one of my Senators about the practice of banks fingerprinting check cashers even with proper I.D., yet never got a response. True, the web offers some information, but it is usually not localized.
As far as "The Prisoner," I had seen episodes of the show once or twice, but recently bought the complete series on DVD. Good show, weird ending. I'm still trying to find appropriate application to the Watchtower Society of the phrase "Number Two is unmutual!"
Bodhisattva wants to join UADNA
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Devils Advocate-A Question for X-JW's
by apostate man inok, i am going to play devils advocate and ask the question: are the jw's correct about anything?
surely there has to be something that is commonly agreed upon to be correct.
i am not talking about what current jw's say, i am not talking about simple things like: read the bible, or be a witness.
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"A little leaven leavens the whole lump." Therefore if you find a religion that (a) claims to be entirely and uniquely true and (b) teaches ungodly ideas, such as shunning or dying for a misunderstood and obsolete dietary restriction, then the religion is false.
Of course if you realize that there is no one true religion, but in fact that religion is made for man, and not man for religion, then you are welcome to take part in the religion of your choice, or in none at all. Unless that religion insists that you must believe it entirely - not even harboring unspoken doubts - in which case it is clearly not the place for enlightened individuals.
A God who can't get by without our worship is not worthy of it. No just God would require us to pick one church as flawless when all are flawed, and then punish us for not picking the right one.
Bodhisattva - Please, guys, tell me how to join the UADNA
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JWs and Job Centres
by badboy ini wonder how many jws are aware that job centres formerly known as labour exchanges were started by the sally army(salvation army!)..
should a jw therefore enter a job centre because of its connections with chritendom?.
they might be demons lurking in the dark corners of a job centre!
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Okay, I can figure out that job centers are something like an unemployment office. But please tell me, what the heck is a Citizens Advice Bureau? When I saw one in "The Prisoner" TV show, I thought "How Orwellian, how dystopian." Then I heard that they actually exist, and - during a side trip from my week in London - saw a sign pointing towards one whilst in Canterbury last Friday, but didn't have time to stop by.