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Called JR Brown regarding Cano Pedophile situation

by LDH in

just called their media line:.

http://www.jw-media.org/contact.htm.

asked a young man named bryce where is the official press release on the cano pedophile situation.

Latest News In JW Sex Scandal

by Kenneson in

it's the top news at http://wcbstv.com/topstories/local_story_178173758.html .

see "boy in minister sex scandal speaks to cbs.

investigators compiling mountain of evidence against suspect.

Lots of congregations, at least in the US, have pc's for the publishers to use. They aren't connected to the internet though. Just to use for searching the cdrom. I say lots of congregations, not all congregations.

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Arminianism

by TheListener in

what are the similarities and differences between arminiansim and jw's?.

one key similarity i've found is that in arminianism a certain few are chosen by god for salvation.

seems similar to the 144,000 doctrine.

TheListener

I read about pelagianism on wikipedia.

From my understanding it teaches that there is no original sin. Therefore mankind can come directly to God and work out their salvation.

As a witness I didn't believe in "original sin" so to speak but I believed that Adam and Eve (Adam really) lost the ability for themselves and all of us to approach God directly and we had to wait for Jesus and his ransom sacrifice to buy us back from sin.

However, now that I think about it, it does seem odd that pre-Jesus people could be friends of God if the original sin took away that possibility. It seems like another contradiction. They believe in original Adamic sin but also believe that some prior to Jesus were able to be friends of God without an intermediary.

As usual I'm confused.

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Arminianism

by TheListener in

what are the similarities and differences between arminiansim and jw's?.

one key similarity i've found is that in arminianism a certain few are chosen by god for salvation.

seems similar to the 144,000 doctrine.

TheListener

Narkissos, or anyone really,

Is there an older theology that teaches the two destinations - heavenly and earthly?

Do Calvinists and Arminianists believe the earth will be destroyed and all who God selected or selected themselves will be spirit creatures with God?

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Arminianism

by TheListener in

what are the similarities and differences between arminiansim and jw's?.

one key similarity i've found is that in arminianism a certain few are chosen by god for salvation.

seems similar to the 144,000 doctrine.

TheListener

Narkissos, you wrote:

TL,
I think among the doctrines you ascribe to arminianism the following are wrong:
in arminianism a certain few are chosen by God for Salvation.
Arminians believe in certain select few predestined to be saved and to become sons of God, glorified.
Arminians, imo, believe in indefinite expiation (potentially for all), collective election and predestination (the church is chosen and predestined to salvation, not its individual members), and conditional salvation (only those who choose not to resist the Holy Spirit and become believers will eventually be saved). They disagree on whether one can "lose one's salvation" after becoming a believer.
Iow, the JW "two-class" system cannot be traced back to arminianism.

Here is what I found online about that subject from http://www.albatrus.org/english/theology/reformed/table_arminianism_versus_calvinism.htm I am open that I understand this wrongly. I am really trying to understand arminianism and how the witnesses fall under it. But, I will say LTs post about how the witnesses are a hodge podge of various type of theology seems really true. Conditional Election
God's choice of certain individuals unto salvation before the foundation of the world was based upon His foreseeing that they would respond to His call. He selected only those whom He knew would of themselves freely believe the gospel. Election therefore was determined by or conditioned upon what man would do. The faith which God foresaw and upon which He based His choice was not given to the sinner by God (it was not created by the regenerating power of the Holy Spirit) but resulted solely from man's will. It was left entirely up to man as to who would believe and therefore as to who would be elected unto salvation. God chose those whom He knew would, of their own free will, choose Christ. Thus the sinner's choice of Christ, not God's choice of the sinner, is the ultimate cause of salvation.

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Breaking News - JW Arrested

by NYCkid in

"police in middletown are accusing 50-year-old minister jesus cano, a jehovah's witness, of trying to lure young boys for sex with nude pictures of himself, which he'd printed with his phone number.

i believe he is/was a bethelite at the wt farms.

saw it on my local evening news.. http://wcbstv.com/topstories/local_story_177180721.html.

TheListener

Exactly Sir82. How many photos did this pervert take of youngsters at the Kingdom Hall? How many photos or videos did the upstanding example of a christian take when he was responsible for young ones in the field ministry? None? Perhaps, but time will tell.

Would you have had any problem with a bethelite taking your 9,10 or 11 year old son in service? I wouldn't have.

I am disgusted. I hope cnn, fox, msnbc and others pick this up.

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Arminianism

by TheListener in

what are the similarities and differences between arminiansim and jw's?.

one key similarity i've found is that in arminianism a certain few are chosen by god for salvation.

seems similar to the 144,000 doctrine.

TheListener

What are the similarities and differences between arminiansim and jw's?

One key similarity I've found is that in arminianism a certain few are chosen by God for Salvation. Seems similar to the 144,000 doctrine. I know it's not the same, but similar.

Another similarity would be that Christ's sacrifice was for everyone. Anyone who puts faith in christ's sacrifice has a chance of salvation. Of course, the witnesses have added that you must believe in christ's sacrifice and follow the direction of the F&DS.

Another similarity is that the individual can resist God's holy spirit. Just as with the witnesses you can resist the holy spirit or inhibit its work in the congregation by your actions and lack of faith.

Some arminians believe you can lose your salvation if you lose your faith. Some believe you are eternally saved. The witnesses would fall into the camp of possibly losing your faith.

As far as the differences it seems it is only the extremes that the WTS takes arminianism that makes it seem different.

Arminianism doesn't believe that works will get you salvation. The WTS advocates that but in actuality most witnesses understand that works are needed to gain salvation. For the arminian the only work necessary by the individual is faith. For the witness that's true but faith causes us to follow every command of the F&DS - thus work is required. I get confused on this. In arminianism you can't do anything to effect your own salvation, but you can lose God's grace by resisting the holy spirit. So what I can't figure out is how you don't resist the holy spirit. Is it by doing works? Is it just simply by believing in Christ's sacrifice?

Arminians believe in certain select few predestined to be saved and to become sons of God, glorified. The witnesses believe this but take it a step further and actually define the number - 144,000.

Arminians believe that Jesus sacrifice satisfied God's justice. The WTS takes that a step further and explains in detail how Jesus was the perfect Adam and shows scales to show their equality. Unless I'm wrong, arminianism doesn't state that Jesus life corresponds to Adam's life.

Do any of you have others?

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TEVYE

by TEVYE in

jw
friends

good afternoon!

(here, in france, it is about 6 p.m.. .

i am a newcomer on your forum and my english is very bad... so, please, excuse me.. i am protestant ("calvinist" would be the right word) and i belong to "eglise reformee de france".. i am looking for informations about jehovah's witnesses, because i think we are in the same family.. have a good evening!.

TheListener

LT, I'm still confused. I'll start a new thread.

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We've been given our orders!

by Cabin in the woods in

jw
friends

ah the joys of having a hubby that is in complete subjection to his witness sister!!!!.

i love living my life according to the book of lori!

she and frank are supposed to find a new care home for their father so today they made arrangements to go together and look for one.

TheListener

I'm sorry that you have to go through all of this Cab. It is wrong and unloving of them to treat you this way.

I'm not in the exact same boat you are but we do have some similarities. I'll let my jw spouse do and say whatever she wants. There are times when it is pretty mean. I take it. I continue to take it. Why? I don't know but I think it has to do with fear of conflict.

There may be good reasons to stay with your husband but there may also be alternatives. You should talk to a professional and ask advice. You never know what insurances will and will not cover until you check it out. Some health factors aren't excluded as pre-exisitng conditions and some are.

As far as money goes it seems to me he would be required to help support you; for awhile anyway.

I'm not saying leave but I am saying you need to find the courage to stick up for yourself and realize that regardless of how he and others view you they're not right. Everyone deserves time away and everyone deserves love and tenderness. Everyone deserves a mate that allows them to dream and follow their dreams.

Good luck Mary.

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TEVYE

by TEVYE in

jw
friends

good afternoon!

(here, in france, it is about 6 p.m.. .

i am a newcomer on your forum and my english is very bad... so, please, excuse me.. i am protestant ("calvinist" would be the right word) and i belong to "eglise reformee de france".. i am looking for informations about jehovah's witnesses, because i think we are in the same family.. have a good evening!.

TheListener

LT, I thought arminianism was the thought that man can do nothing to achieve salvation but is completely reliant upon God's grace? If so, then the JWs are the furthest from arminianism since all they do is work work work for their salvation.