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  Publisher figures for U.S.

  by TheListener in

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  does anyone have the latest publisher figures for the u.s.?

  i haven't had access to a km for awhile and was wondering how the service year was progressing.

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  TheListener

  Yes, but they don't post the monthly figures as shown in the KMs there. I have July's KM but not August or September.

  Anyone?
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  Publisher figures for U.S.

  by TheListener in

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  does anyone have the latest publisher figures for the u.s.?

  i haven't had access to a km for awhile and was wondering how the service year was progressing.

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  TheListener

  Does anyone have the latest publisher figures for the U.S.? I haven't had access to a KM for awhile and was wondering how the service year was progressing.
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  Got any quick 1914 / 607 points?

  by drew sagan in

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  tomarrow i'm meeting with a jw friend who is connected to what's going on with these elders that came over our house and everything else.

  i can't get into details as to how it works out, but this is the important part.

  this guy (and elder) can be a quite reasonable person.

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  TheListener

  I posted this awhile ago and I still contend that other posters are better equipped to discuss this subject.

  Daniel 5:26 is discussing the destruction of Babylon:

  (Daniel 5:26) 26 "This is the interpretation of the word: ME´NE, God has numbered [the days of] your kingdom and has finished it.

  In the NWT (w/ references) Daniel 5:26 has a referene to Jeremiah 25:12 which states:

  (Jeremiah 25:12) 12 "‘And it must occur that when seventy years have been fulfilled I shall call to account against the king of and against that nation ,’ is the utterance of Jehovah, ‘their error, even against the land of the Chal·de´ans, and I will make it desolate wastes to time indefinite . . .

  Clearly then, the WTS is teaching us that the 70 years relates to . To further show this I have put up a quote from the Isaiah's Prophecy book. The society has added this information to sound the teaching down; you know repetition for emphasis.

  *** ip-1 chap. 19 p. 253 Jehovah Profanes the Pride of Tyre ***True, the island-city of Tyre is not subject to Babylon for a full 70 years , since the Babylonian Empire falls in 539 B.C.E. Evidently, the 70 years represents the period of Babylonia’s greatest domination —when the Babylonian royal dynasty boasts of having lifted its throne even above "the stars of God." (Isaiah 14:13) Different nations come under that domination at different times. But at the end of 70 years, that domination will crumble . What will then happen to ?

  The section above this line is a quick and dirty 607 argument. If you want you can use the information below as well: (good luck)

  The only thing left then is to figure out why the WTS says the 70 years ends in 537BCE and not 539BCE?

  You could say that this 70 years, Babylon's 70 years of ascension is separate from Israel's 70 years of servitude, but then 2 Chronicles wouldn't make sense because it too references back to Jeremiah 25:12.

  (2 Chronicles 36:20-21) 20 Furthermore, he carried off those remaining from the sword captive to Babylon, and they came to be servants to him and his sons until the royalty of Persia began to reign; 21 to fulfill Jehovah’s word by the mouth of Jeremiah , until the land had paid off its sabbaths. All the days of lying desolated it kept sabbath, to fulfill seventy years.

  So there you have it. Each scripture clearly cross-references the others (use NWT with references) and the Isaiah Prophecy I book clearly sets forth the Society’s viewpoint that different nations came under ’s rule at different stages.

  I’m no teacher and this issue isn’t my specialty but that’s my input .
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  ...How Long did You Lurk?...

  by OUTLAW in

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  when i first found this place,i did not want to post.i wanted to see what was going on,and get a feel for the place..getting into a debate with some of the "meat eaters" here,was not at the top of my list of things to do..lol!

  !..now this place is my cyber home..(thanks simon!

  )..so my question is:how long did you lurk before you decieded to take a chance and make your first post?...outlaw

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  TheListener

  I read the board every day for 2 1/2 years. In that time I had to decide what I felt was right and wrong about the truth. I had to slowly disentangle myself from the beast.

  When I found this site it was by accident. I felt that if I could just research things, 607 would make sense. I have tons of pages printed out from old discussion threads on various boards regarding 607. After reading what I felt were the most educated posters on the subject (for and against) I just couldn't believe I fell for all of it. I still don't know how those posters sell this crap to others.

  I had to stop serving in the congregation, tell my immediate family how I felt, tell extended family how I felt, suffer the consequences and start my life all over again.

  Thank you all so much for being here for me over the years.
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  Thank you Jehovah for answered prayers

  by Annie Over in

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  when i got off for lunch today i decided to go to the walmart deli and get something to eat.

  it is a huge store, groceries, a bakery, mc donalds, a bank , eye center, beauty shop, a great deli, and a huge garden center.

  i had taken back a 80 gig hard drive dvd recorder ( i couldn't figure out how to hook up <smile> and had received 238.00. i picked up a couple of things in the store then went to the deli.

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  If someone wants to assign the good things in their life to a higher power and let us in on their feelings, ok. Why do we feel the need to criticize that? Ask questions; thoughtful, poignant and honest questions - ok, but questions meant to belittle or show the initial poster foolish - I don't think that is very welcoming or friendly.

  Does anyone here like margaritas? never mind, sorry. I like margaritas. Ooops there I go again. sorry. back to the topic - frozen? no, I like them on the rocks. Stop it!

  I don't want to post about margaritas any longer. (oh but they're so yummy)

  I've just had a nice dinner which consisted of better margaritas and I am feeling pretty good. I thank God that the hostess kept the pitcher full. -oh is that ok?

  Now mind you, I'm not thanking God that she didn't trip or fall or drop my margaritas, that'd be crazy. But, just that she was thoughtful enough to keep the pitcher full. oh yeah.

  Anyway, let's try and treat newbies the way we'd like to be treated. No matter how crazy they are. hahahahahahaha.
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  Thanks to Scully......

  by agapa37 in

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  for holding my hand and walking me through the registration process..........

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  yeah a new person!! Welcome to the board!! I look forward to learning more about you.

  Scully is great. She's one of the first people I met in chat. She's good people.
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  Slaying the Demons in My Basement, Part Two

  by Fleur in

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  continued from part one: .

  the envelope was thick and so i knew that it had to contain pictures.

  when i opened it, faded snapshots .

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  TheListener

  Oh wow Essie. These two threads really touched me emotionally. Thank you for sharing. So many of us have so much stored away, both physically and emotionally. Thank you for sharing and allowing us to be a small part of your continued journey.

  ((((Essie))))
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  Just joined

  by pat1 in

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  2. experiences

  hi every one i am not sure if i am posting in the right place or not but just wanted to say a quick hello.

  i am a disfellowshiped (ex brother of 27 years), they did this to me nearly eight years ago after forming a commitee with two lying elders (one decent) who didn'nt like my father who was the presiding overseer at the time and stand in circut overseer.

  i was married for six years at the age of 19 and when i decided to have a break from her it all hit the fan and the lies started about me.

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  TheListener

  Welcome to the forum Pat. There are many here who share similar stories as you. Keep reading and know that we're here for you to vent and express yourself.

  As far as advice goes, if my father had cancer and may pass way I would write cards and letters even if my father wanted nothing to do with me and my family agreed. I may not do it just for them, but also for myself. For the peace of mind that I would feel about doing the right thing in the face of their injustice and lack of real love.

  Good luck Pat.
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  Comments You Will Not Hear at the 8-13-06 WT Study (YOUTHS CHOICE)

  by blondie in

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  2. bible

  comments you will not hear at the 08-13-06 wt study (july 1, 2006 issue date, pages 26-30 )(youths choice).

  review comments will be in red.

  wt material from today's wt will be in black.

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  My poor poor children. I hate that my family hasn't yet left. I try to be calm and collected when WTS stuff is discussed but when and if they get baptized I think I'll throw up. I don't even know how I will handle it. I want so badly for them to see that it is all CRAP.

  Thanks Blondie. Your reviews are so so helpful to me.
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  Thirdwitness -- An Agent of the Governing Body?

  by AlanF in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  thirdwitness -- an agent of the governing body?

  this evening i was talking with an old friend about recent postings on this forum by jw defenders.

  we concluded that something unusual is going on.

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  TheListener

  Wow this is a really long thread. And if I learned anything definitely positively at all it's this: I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR THAT SOMEONE CALLS THEMSELF LISTEN WHEN I AM "THE LISTENER"

  Oh excuse me, was I yelling.

  There isn't room enough for two people that listen. One listens, that's me. Everyone else talks.

  OK Sorry, back to the real topic at hand.