i'm on page 90 right now...the info is definitely new and gives me a totally diff view as to how i used to think of faithful and discreet slave.
i was thoroughly disgusted with the way the brothers handled the oral sex and leadership problem and the insight on the scriptures book...... still have alot of questions though.
Welcome to the forum.
I read CoC. I was so nervous to buy it I had a friend drive to another state and buy it for me. I was so so nervous that someone would find out I bought it and read it.
That book helps clarify things that many people already sort of have a feeling aren't right. It helped me by putting specific thoughtful arguments together for specific Witness doctrines. Other books are great but they don't take the time to go into the detail that Ray does.
I wish you well on your journey.
the 2012 yearbook has released the publisher statistics for the 2011 service year.
a scan of the report can be found at http://www.jwfacts.com/images/2011-publisher-report.pdf and i have started updating the graphs at http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/statistics.php.
as expected, it is following on from similar trends to the last 15 years.
Yadda Yadda 2 I totally agree!
The time per month spiked yet the amount to gain a convert increased as well. The effectiveness is down because those going out are just ticking the boxes. They aren't really into it like the witnesses of previous generations.
Could be more people are faking their time and padding their reports so the overall amount is higher but there isn't much productivity.
18 months ago when i told my wife that i no longer believe the wt teachings and that i had attended my last meeting, she said that everything would change because she didn't marry a "pagan".
so after a short moment i told her that i understood her reaction, but this would be the only time i would not act on such a comment - the next time i would simply pack up and leave.
isn't it strange that the one who is supposed to be in the "truth" is the one who is ready to forfit our marriage, when in fact the bible tells christian spouses to remain with their unbelieving mate?
Good luck.
My marriage has survived despite the fact that my wife remains a JW. We don't discuss religious things. Well, not JW religious things. We've developed an unspoken rule not to discuss how ridiculous the JW religion is or how important it is for me to get back to the fold before the end. So far so good.
but when they end like that three times....it's strike three... or maybe it was strike #3,333,333.......but it is sad and painful for us both i know.....a person must be in a very very bad place to act like that in front a man you have loved and been intimate with for 15 years....and at that moment i am satan in front of her....a begging pleading attempting to reason satan...but still satan to her and her friends.....but this nice woman needs satan out of her life now....oompa.
i am not a bad person...i am not satan...i asked her why she thought i had tried so hard....told her that if she was in a burning building just how hard would she think i would try to get her out??
she did not like that analogy either...so i have started the painful process...the building is going to burn to the ground now....and i will never put her through that fingers in ears thing again.... and i will be fair and reasonable....and pay her the alimony and give her half....i could so be a satan to her in divorce....but i won't!...i can at least prove to them all that i am decent man...and not mentally diseased or satan.....and ahhhhh i feel good about that....plus both my boys are free now...
I'm really sorry Oompa. I'm glad your children are free. I think your decision about being as reasonable and considerate as possible during any divorce proceedings will be the right thing.
My wife and I don't have those tough conversations anymore. Almost all religious conversations are a demilitarized zone and we just don't go there. It works for us. BUT, it isn't really a perfect situation having a marriage mate where you can't share everything, discuss everything and enjoy each other for who you are. It also sucks knowing my wife (and other JWs) think I'm the devil's tool and mentally diseased - even if they don't say it to me I know it's part of their underlying thoughts.
Hang in there man.
i am looking for information from several groups of people.. people who are no longer jws but have a spouse who is still in.
never-been jwswas a jw (baptized or not) but left after marrying and spouse remained indfed, daed or faded and still have a spouse who is inchildren (now grown) who were raised with one parent a jw and the other never beenchildren (now grown) where one parent left the jws and one stayed in.if there are categories i have missed let me know.
i need this to be pretty inclusive and focused on couples where one person is a jw and the other is not.. i will be asking questions re:.
1.b - with kids living at home.
think it was announced yesterday that im disfellowshipped.
will these feelings of guilt and panic ever go away?
my head is so messed up.
Isn't it awful that when someone needs help the most they get treated the worst by witnesses.
A religion that must tear you down and make you miserable in order for you to "come back" is not a religion, it's a cult.
I'm truly sorry you're going through this. Just remember that there are a lot of other people out there who know what you're going through and how tough it is. Feel free to vent here anytime.
Another poster recommended making new friends. That sounds like a great idea.
I know you're disfellowshipped but I don't know how much of the witness teachings you reject or accept. So, if you have any lingering doubts about the WT being right you should read Crisis of Conscience by Ray Franz and you could do research on points that have bothered you in the past.
Sometimes the pain of being shunned can be eased by knowing for certain that the shunners are wrong in their beliefs and wrong for shunning you. It isn't Christlike to shun.
Good luck and I wish you the best.
she has been out in field service with her family and goes on to tell me of all the spiritual activities they have planned for the fall.
all of her children are homeschooled and pioneering.
she actually said, "well maybe i will send them over, but they have rehearsal for the special assembly day program.
Also, they may be trying to win you back by being friendly, kind and polite. Showing you that as a strong witness you can still have fun.
But, those types of plans often backfire because the kids will actually be having the time of their lives with regular people and regular fun.
Congratulations.
judah schroeder?
today i uploaded a new article to my blog providing the latest information about judah schroeder, former bethelite and son of governing body member albert schroeder (deceased).
judah schroeder grew up at bethel.
In the class reunion bio she wrote that she still volunteers her time to Watchtower. I gues they are heavily involved. Perhaps fighting humanitarian battles for the Watchtower as outside reps.
it has been a hellacious five years for many in my family...especially my poor jw wife who could almost walk on water damm it...she is a saint.....and i so hate i have hurt her in so many ways....and i mean that.....but it has hell for me too since third grade as i never fit in..... or 1995 or both of course...that damm generation of 1914 thingy being kicked to the curb..... and me knowing it was now all bs since then just as i thought it was before......you mean really???
?......you mean i actually am going to grow old and die?!?!?
!....no fukkin way?!
A family member saved!!!!! Alright!!!! That is fantastic news. I know what you mean about being sick to your stomach when our children go to the meetings. You held in there and didn't shun and now you are reaping the rewards. Congratulations to both you and your son!!!
judah schroeder?
today i uploaded a new article to my blog providing the latest information about judah schroeder, former bethelite and son of governing body member albert schroeder (deceased).
judah schroeder grew up at bethel.
So if they move to Brussels is Judah going to do humanitarian work with the Watchtower or some other worldy organization? Perhaps NATO?
