Posts by TheListener

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Caleb & Sophia RC badges

by oppostate in

take a look at this caleb & sophia rc badge for children.. .

what's the motivation to make special childrens' badges?

i smell indoctrination!.

Sir82 years ago I would have agreed with you but I don't think this GB has the same lack of forsight that the previous guys had. They seem to know that their growth will come from the inside and they need to stop the youth from leaving. I think a short youth centered meeting or gathering at the KH before or after the Sunday meeting will eventually be started. And the kids will still have to sit through the adult meeting just like before. Getting kids indoctrinated early is the name of the game.

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Looking Back in Retrospect to 1995 ...

by LoveUniHateExams in

i very much enjoyed reading through titch's thread: 'looking back in retrospect to 1975 ...' and all the comments from posters that lived through that event and remembered it.. i was born in 1979, so had nothing to offer for that thread.. however, i do remember very clearly living through 1995 (the end of the 1914 generation) and remember how it affected me and my view of the wts.

up until oct/nov 1995, i genuinely believed the society to be god's one true earthly organisation.

the watchtower presenting the new meaning of generation seriously shook my faith in the wts and, i suppose, started me on my journey to ttatt.

TheListener

I had a friend from bethel call me before the WT arrived at our hall. He told me something big was coming and to read the study articles as soon as I got the magazine. I did.

I conducted that WT study. It was just as OTWO said, read paragraph, answer and move on. It was like no one cared that it was a major change. I think no one at our hall really fully understood it.

At the time I thought it was a big change but it didn't mean that much since the end was still coming soon. I had no idea it would cause some to leave the dubs until a few months later when I started hearing stories about those who left.

I don't think I fully understood what the change really meant until I started reading this site and others. The overlapping generation teaching is a joke.

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Caleb & Sophia RC badges

by oppostate in

take a look at this caleb & sophia rc badge for children.. .

what's the motivation to make special childrens' badges?

i smell indoctrination!.

TheListener

But as with all things in dubland the newness of these videos, tablets and jwdotorg will wear off and full on apathy will resume.

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Caleb & Sophia RC badges

by oppostate in

take a look at this caleb & sophia rc badge for children.. .

what's the motivation to make special childrens' badges?

i smell indoctrination!.

TheListener

Teens are cynical. Once a kid has aged past Caleb and Sophia (which is probably younger then the wts thinks) the wts has nothing to offer them.

Older kids are pretty media savvy these days and I agree with other posters that teens and preteens know when they are being fed propaganda.

I really wouldn't be surprised to see the wts institute some sort of after meeting or before meeting Sunday school. It may only be 25-30 minutes but it would a video, short discussion and a fun craft. They know they need to get young kids to want to go to the kingdom hall. The kid begging to go gets the parents motivated and attending.

They are working hard to improve their youth retention rate.

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Picking Someone To Be An Illustrious Member Of the Governing Body/Faithful & Discreet A Hole Club What Is It They Look For?

by Brokeback Watchtower in

this is a work in progress so let me postulate a few and then post your observations.. i think when we examine this subject we will be able to understand how they picked this recent batch of new comers who can just about manage to even tie their shoe laces and clearly are almost complete idiots.. i'm sure they test any gb hopefuls as to loyalty and courage to face pressure and make defenses for the corporation sound at least plausible and with in the limits of understanding imposed by the corporations edicts.. i know anthony morris came from wealth and he mentioned in one of his talks that his aged father tried to warn him about giving money to the wt corporation and he said that what his dad didn't know was that he was the society (he may have been trying to get some money from his wealthy dad to give to the corporation as sort of an investment in loyalty that would catapault him to gb stardom and who knows maybe even chief honcho.. so i wonder can some buy their way to the top?

after all it is a scam operation based on bullshit and all the members of the elite are money hungry if not for themselves then for their sock puppet jehovah/me.. what say you?.

TheListener

I think they are true believers that passed the test of not rocking the boat. I think Ted jaracz was instrumental in selecting them.

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Local Elders whip the Congregation into a frenzy about donating to the Organization

by James Jack in

because of the may broadcast about how funds are down, our elders have been in their talks "encouraging" or pressuring everyone to donate more to the world wide work.. it freaks me out how we already give them a set amount of $600 a month, plus what is contributed by the congregation(usually $400 to $500 a month).

heck, our local congregation bank account even got below $500 for the first time this past may since i have been doing the accounts(4 years now).

for june, we raised a whopping $2400 to send into the branch.. the most amazing part, is that only a select few contribute on a regular basis every month.

TheListener

Congregations I attended barely made their bills and never contributed enough to the WTS to cover the literature they requested. Every visit the COs would make sure we knew we weren't pulling out weight.

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Advice Needed - JW Grandparents

by What Now? in

my family has been out (inactive no meeting attendance or field service) for just over two years..

weve made many changes in our lives, including with our personal appearances (tattoos, piercings etc) that are a pretty obvious sign that we arent going back any time soon.

our families went through a period of time about a year ago when they made a lot of threats that if we left the truth, they wouldnt even be able to share a meal with us, they would stay loyal to jehovah etc.

TheListener

My kids are bored stIff when they attend any witness function. They used to go regularly but as they got a bit older they've stopped all meetings and only go to one day of the DC/RC so mom can show them off to her witness friends. The oldest knows it's a cult but the others just find it boring and irrelevant and they've told me the videos are really simplistic and waaaaay over acted and preachy.

I do not bad mouth my wifes choice of religion but I ensure the kids have both sides of the matter and I've let them choose for themselves how much dub activity they will have - which is virtually none. But the dub robot fear is always in the back of my mind.

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Advice Needed - JW Grandparents

by What Now? in

my family has been out (inactive no meeting attendance or field service) for just over two years..

weve made many changes in our lives, including with our personal appearances (tattoos, piercings etc) that are a pretty obvious sign that we arent going back any time soon.

our families went through a period of time about a year ago when they made a lot of threats that if we left the truth, they wouldnt even be able to share a meal with us, they would stay loyal to jehovah etc.

TheListener

Oh and when my kids were very young I discussed with thwm that they don't call me or mom or their grandparents by our first names, so we should not use the name jehovah so much, if at all because we want to show even more respect to God.

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Advice Needed - JW Grandparents

by What Now? in

my family has been out (inactive no meeting attendance or field service) for just over two years..

weve made many changes in our lives, including with our personal appearances (tattoos, piercings etc) that are a pretty obvious sign that we arent going back any time soon.

our families went through a period of time about a year ago when they made a lot of threats that if we left the truth, they wouldnt even be able to share a meal with us, they would stay loyal to jehovah etc.

TheListener

Thanks for sharing. I have a similar situation except my wife and in-laws have tried to indoctrinate the kids whenever they get the chance. Fortunately my kids are stubborn and somewhat cynical. Whenever they have attended a special assembly day or DC day with my wife I always worry that they will suddenly become dub robots. It hasn't happened yet. I also give them the real reasons I ddn't play sports or go to school dances, or go to college, etc. I make sure they understand the control that the dubs exert on members. But, I don't make things up or try to make it sound worse than it is and I usually provide the dub reasosning and why I think it is wrong.

I have made posts about this in the past because I don't want to do too much and cause them to rebel against me and join the dubs to please mom but I don't want them listening to dub logic and buying into it either.

I think with you and your husband on the same page you should be ok. Show them lots of love and teach them to think for themselves and to reason on issues. It is hard enough for a fully dub family to keep their kids in so you're probably going to be ok.

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Looking Back In Retrospect To 1975...

by titch in

greetings, folks: so, it's been 40 years since 1975. and, if you were actively involved with the witnesses back then, the mindset of many was, that by early autumn of 1975, it would mark the anniversary of 6000 years of human existence.

and, the hope was then, that it would mark the start of the 1000-year of christ, from the heavenly realm.

but, looking back now, 40 years ago, in june of 1975, only 3 more months remained until early autumn.

TheListener

There is a WT article that discusses the whole 'how many years after Adam was Eve created' thing. It's in print and as far as I know has never been revisited or new lighted. I don't have the library so I can't search for the reference.