Yeah... but really... you'd think you could go round in circle after circle with the Judicial Committee and possibly scare them out of their pants by affirming that you are of the annointed, you are their king, that you had a poweful experience in which God's spirit bore witness with yours... tell them that an Angel of Jehovah descended and told you that the organization had become corrupt (just as the bible points out would happen in the last days) and that the angels of jehovah were now actively scouring the organization to find right hearted individuals who are worthy of salvation. Then, go on to name a bunch of the hypocrisies of the Edlers and the "organization" and say the Angel rattled off a list of these to you and said individuals displaying these traits had been given one last chance to repent and or they will be judged to second death and that Armageddon is coming swiftly... the Tsunami and the Earth Quakes are the "signs" promised. Then tell them how the angel showed you how they would die by having the flesh melted off of them like in raiders of the lost ark etc... make such a convincing display of acting that the elders somewhere inside start to doubt and become afraid and have many many sleepless nights as they ponder their activities and start to question how the organization may have become corrupt and chew their finger nails over IF what you said MIGHT be true as they watch more earthquakes and natural disasters. That would really be funny.
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What can they do if you are of the annointed?
by Unfettered inscenario: i've had an elder call me a couple times now over the last seven years.
our conversations have gone similar to the one below, but the one below is what i'm going to say this next time and see what happens:.
elder calls: brother xxx where have you been.
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If You HAD To Be Disfellowshipped For Something, What Would It Be?
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fornication?
drugs?......what???
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oh yeah ... got to include lustful pelvic thrusts toward the audience and lapdancing on the PO's wife.
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If You HAD To Be Disfellowshipped For Something, What Would It Be?
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fornication?
drugs?......what???
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Grabbing the microphone and breaking out into a prince song on stage.
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What can they do if you are of the annointed?
by Unfettered inscenario: i've had an elder call me a couple times now over the last seven years.
our conversations have gone similar to the one below, but the one below is what i'm going to say this next time and see what happens:.
elder calls: brother xxx where have you been.
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Scenario: I've had an elder call me a couple times now over the last seven years. Our conversations have gone similar to the one below, but the one below is what I'm going to say this next time and see what happens:
Elder Calls: Brother xxx where have you been. Are you still associating with JW's?
xxx: Oh yes, I associate when I can. I've been all over.
Elder: It's been seven years, don't you think you should settle down in a congregation and have your publisher's card transfered? We haven't had any time reported from you since you left our congregation.
xxx: not really, I'm fine with where I'm at and don't really feel a need to report time or transfer my publishers card. I'm sure it's safe with you.
Elder: Well... it certainly seems you are not wanting to associate with JW's anymore.
xxx: who said that? I never said that. I'm just not associating with YOUR congregation. I'm sorry if you miss me. I've just been travelling alot and occupied with other associations outside of your congregation.
Elder: Well, brother do you still believe that JW are God's chosen people and that the faithful and discrete slave are appointed by God to portion out spiritual food and direction at the appropriate time? Do you believe in theocratic order?
xxx: Brother, of course I have been taught that since my babtism! Why do you feel a need to question my faith?! I don't know what you believe but I know what I've been taught... (hopefully you are noticing I'm avoiding the question).
Elder: The society has lovingly provided direction and organization such as attending regular meetings at a specific congregation, reporting time, and having accurate publisher cards. Don't you think you need to follow that direction?
xxx: Do you Edler BLAH believe that the annointed are God's chosen representatives, that only they have a direct relationship with Christ, and that the great crowd follow their lead, that they are to rule as kings and priests over the earth?
Elder: of course! yes I do.
xxx: Well Elder BLAH, I am of the annointed. If I decide to report my time, I will. If I decide to transfer my publisher card, I will. It is not your place to question me. I highly recommend you humbly ask forgiveness from Jehovah for having questioned and offended one of your rightful kings. I forgive you.. but please don't question me again. When I get to heaven you can be sure you do not want me to recommend your disfellowshipment from God's organization which would mean your death forever. I'm going to assume you are simply acting out of ignorance. Please do not call me again unless it is to ask my spiritual direction on some matter. Good night.
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What do you think? Wouldn't that screw with their minds?
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I'm not a Buddhist, but...............PART 2
by Dansk inas i can't post to the original thread started by nicolaou, i'm doing so here:.
hi fleur,but the part that really, well, frankly creeped me out for lack of a better term, is that he left his wife and child, then starved himself nearly to death before he realized that this wasn't the way to go, and he lived as a homeless person, begging food as he went on his path to enlightenment.
that's a rather simplified version of events.
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Ian,
I'm interested to hear your opinion. I've noticed in my own reading that Buddhism tends to focus more on the mental/emotional/spiritual types of meditation where as the Daoist texts tend to focus a little more on the physical manifestation of energy, but also on the spiritual. Have you noticed the differences?
For instance, the Taoist practices of Qi Gong and Tai Chi are very physical in their energetic focus. They focus a lot on the developing and cultivation of the energies that vibrate at frequencies closer to the physical body (namely various forms of what they call Qi) as these tend to raise physical strength and vitality. Primarily they are focussing on the first body, the physical, and the second body, the next generated subtle etheric body resting inside/on top of the physical. I have personally experienced at least 3 separate bodies.
During one out of body experience I rose out of my physical body (#1) to sit on the bed in my etheric body next to my physical body. Then, after looking my physical body over I decided to get up and go look around. However, then the vibrations began again and I rose out of that 2nd body into a 3rd state which was that of being a point or ball of being or energy and I was able to see in 360 degrees all around me. I was much lighter and passed through walls much easier than in the 2nd body state. Anyway, I digress.
Although the Taoist meditations focus a lot on the 1st and 2nd body energy cultivation, they don't focus as much on reaching higher states of enlightenment internally and higher states of the consciousness as the Buddhist do. I notice that many Buddhist may tend to cultivate loving and compassionate personalities fast than those studying purely Taoist philosophies. However, they are not always physically healthy or robust. Perhaps I am skewing this in my mind based on limited experience or association with Buddhists though. Taoist tend to be a little bit colder and more physically oriented, but wow ... some have such strong vital physical energy as I have experienced myself.
Here's what I've noticed personally. If I do the type of meditation that leads to out of body experiences I will frequently return feeling physically energetically drained. If I do too many OBE's per week I will actually start to become sick physically. This implies that by focussing my mental energies away from my physical body up to higher states I am literally taking energy away from sustaining my physical body. When I do more Taoist types of meditation and practice like Qi Gong and Tai Qi my physical energy revs up and I do not get sick and my actual physical strength increases. However, I have fewer higher consciousness experiences and out of body experiences. There seems to be a sort of trade off... personally I've worked to strike a balance between the two. Obviously if I wanted to be in the spiritual 24/7 I could just kill myself, but I need to be here to learn lessons and evolve.
Have you noticed the same thing at all in your own meditations? Have you practiced qi gong or tai chi before? Have you heard of diamond bone breathing techniques? It will be interesting to hear any thoughts from you. Feel free to take your time to comment. I understand you are busy and focussing on getting well. My best wishes to you.
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Power of the heart... Prayers for Dansk
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Where does the power to heal come from?
If you make a study of apparently effective hands on healers, Qi Gong, and Tai Qi practitioners you will start to notice a repeating theme in regards to the source of power that provides an individual with both the ability to heal themselves, as well as heal others? the object of that theme is the Heart.
Numerous healers have noted the increased effectiveness of their hands on healing and prayer when the heart not just the mind is involved. Additionally, it is known in Eastern Qi Gong and Tai Chi practice that the heart is the center of the being where the most powerful energy emanates and where also more subtle energies are transformed into more physical energies. This energy can be used for destructive (amazingly powerful blows) or constructive (healing) purposes.
Please allow me this moment to share some personal experience that emphasizes the need for us to really open our hearts ACTIVELY during prayer and meditation for Dansk to be most effective.
I have been practicing Martial Arts, Meditation, Tai Qi, and Qi Gong on a regular basis now for the past 6 or 7 years. Over that time it has become apparent to me that love is a real ENERGY, not just a concept. Additionally, that energy is directly tied into the heart and has a very powerful ability to transform and affect the physical.
During my normal meditation I normally spend time on a daily basis ?raising? energy and storing it in my Dan Tien (lower navel area). At a certain point I felt that the Dan Tien area had become ?full? and that the energy began to rise up through my body up into the heart and then to fill the rest of my body. When this began to happen I noticed great increases in my physical strength and stamina. The relationship of this energy to the heart was not completely apparent to me until one particular day.
At work I used to eat a bowl of clam chowder every other day. What can I say, I love the stuff. I happened to work at a college at that time. One day I had a bowl of it again and even though it tasted a little different? almost a little metallic flavor, I finished off the entire bowl and continued my work. About an hour or so later I began to feel as though I was getting sick. My bones started aching and I started to feel chills. Knowing that I can usually beat a cold or sickness if I meditate quickly before the full onset of the illness, I immediately told my boss I was going home early sick and headed to my home (10 minutes away).
When I got home I stripped and jumped into bed and immediately began my focused meditation to raise energy and fight off whatever was attacking my immune system. However, I found I was loosing mental energy and could no longer focus sufficiently.
So, instead of fighting the illness head on I decided to let go and just sink downward and relax more into it. As I did so, I noticed my awareness sinking into my heart area/chakra. When I was sufficiently focused there I started to feel my heart center begin to vibrate? subtly at first and then it got quite intense. I felt my heart literally begin to open and when that happened I felt a strong surge of warm white/yellowish energy flow freely from my heart and wrap around my body like a cocoon.I lost track of time but at a certain point the energy stopped flowing, the warmth of being bathed in this energy faded, and I opened my eyes. I got up and looked at the clock and noticed that 3 hours had past. This was the longest I had ever been in deep meditation up to that point. I felt great. In fact I felt so energized and strong that I later went and did a 1 hour workout lifting weights at the gym. I noticed immediately that I was not only ?feeling? strong but WAS actually physically stronger. Both my previous rep weights and max weights now felt extremely light to me and I pushed my weight lifting up to about 30% higher weight. Even at that weight (although heavier) it didn?t feel very strenuous at all and I lifted it with ease. I really felt ?jacked up? on this energy that came out of my heart chakra. I was afraid to raise the weight much higher thinking that although I couldn?t feel it at that moment, maybe I would feel strained the next day.
Well, the next day came and when I woke up I was backed to feeling ?normal?? no muscular strain either. When I arrived at work my co-worker told me something that blew my mind. He said, ?hey how you doing? I thought you would be at the hospital.?
?huh?? I said.
?yeah, after you left a bunch of ambulances arrived on campus and carted a bunch of people away to the hospital. According to the school news paper some of them are in critical condition and one girl was found dead in her dorm room. They all ate the same clam chowder you ate yesterday? salmonella or something.?
Wow? I had eaten an entire bowl of that stuff? gone home, did my meditation, had this experience of the heart chakra energy enveloping me? 3 hours later I was up? a couple hours later I went and did a hard workout with an abundance of energy and here all these other people are in the hospital and one is dead? mere chance?
No, other subsequent experiences including my use of such energy in the Martial Arts has taught me that we indeed have a very powerful energy that is transformed through the heart? and it can be a very powerful energy for self-healing and from the descriptions of hands on healers this same energy can be applied to hands on as well as distance healing.
That being said, when you are praying for Ian/Dansk, remember that love is not just a concept, it is a real energy. I encourage you to take out at least 15 minutes a day or more to try and feel your heart open toward him and send your heart energy and love to envelope, energize, and heal him. His own Karma will decide what to do with such energy. I hope that Karma is for him to stick around a lot longer.
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Power of the heart... Prayers for Dansk
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If you make a study of apparently effective hands on healers, Qi Gong, and Tai Qi practitioners you will start to notice a repeating theme in regards to the source of power that provides an individual with both the ability to heal themselves, as well as heal others? the object of that theme is the Heart.
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Power of the heart... Prayers for Dansk
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I'm not a Buddhist, but...............PART 2
by Dansk inas i can't post to the original thread started by nicolaou, i'm doing so here:.
hi fleur,but the part that really, well, frankly creeped me out for lack of a better term, is that he left his wife and child, then starved himself nearly to death before he realized that this wasn't the way to go, and he lived as a homeless person, begging food as he went on his path to enlightenment.
that's a rather simplified version of events.
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Dansk,
I'm glad to hear your positive attitude and I choose to believe you have the power to beat this as well... that in some way personal choice is involved in this either at a higher level and even in the physical. I will include you in my prayer and meditation. I know we'd all like to have your presence here for a long time to come.
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I'm not a Buddhist, but...............PART 2
by Dansk inas i can't post to the original thread started by nicolaou, i'm doing so here:.
hi fleur,but the part that really, well, frankly creeped me out for lack of a better term, is that he left his wife and child, then starved himself nearly to death before he realized that this wasn't the way to go, and he lived as a homeless person, begging food as he went on his path to enlightenment.
that's a rather simplified version of events.
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Fleur,
I think what you stated made quite a bit of sense not to worry... and I think that you are doing just fine listening to your inner intuition. Keep reading, keep listening to others, but ultimately make choices that agree with your path. We all have individual paths and purposes. The society made us feel that we had 1 basic purpose, to worship God and do his will. However, that was overly simplistic at best. We all are like parts of a body, or parts in a machine... each with it's place, purpose, and intrinsic value for the functioning of the whole... some as healers... some as teachers... some as prophets... etc etc etc... some can do a little of all.
I have found in my own life that if you find your place or path and focus your life's energy into it you will find deep fulfillment, growth, and happiness.
Ian, please understand I mean no offense. I understand you are ill. I do not know the reasons why and I do not know the cure... but I just want to share a personal story.
Shortly after leaving the organization I found myself in a state of unknown and lacking direction. I had not yet started regular meditation, introspection, and study. I had not yet found a focus either. I had already began to drink somewhat and over-eat as well. I started to notice at one point of this that my body felt like it was breaking down. I started getting lesions on the skin in places, turning pale, highly discolored urine etc... and I also started developing what seemed to be a harsh rash on the skin the doctors were worried about it being skin cancer. My health went downhill and I began to get sick. I literally started to feel like I was dying.
For a while I didn't care because I didn't feel I had any purpose. I was literally loosing heart and this had a direct impact on my health. Then one day I actually started to care and got scared. I realized I didn't want to die and that I wanted more out of life than to die right now. With that change in my attitude my health immediately began to change. The lesions went away, the harsh rash on my skin went away, and my health became strong again. I realized very quickly how much our mental state can affect our health as well as our wishing to live or die. I'm sure many others have experienced the same and/or worse. Sometimes we can actually have points of view, mental blockages, or mind sets that affect our health without us even knowing it.
I do not know your situation so this does not necessarily apply to you. Sometimes health problems are not caused by ourselves. If I get hit by a care it's probably (I hope) not due to my mental disposition. But in the course of healing ourselves it can be very beneficial to look for anything internally that may be obstructing the healing process. I'm sure you've done reading of this nature before. Are you open to discussing what you've learned and what your Buddhist teacher has helped you with in terms of your illness? If you've already covered this in another thread I'll go read it there if you post the URL.