first of all, i am not a jw and i never will be, for my own reasons that i need not discuss further.
however, i have a brother who is a jw and there is a serious problem that he is struggling with, which pertains to his horrible marriage, abusive wife, divorce and being "kicked out" of jw as a member... or whatever jw's call it.
he has been married to a woman for 22 years.
Please do not ask me anymore. I am done. I am too tired to keep going this way with all of you. Instead of inspiration... it is negative and draining. I can not find the energy to continue here with this continuous "proving" and bickering. I know where to go to find the books that were suggested to me here by NewLight2. Thank You Newlight2. If you want to... go to the other website and talk to Dave. He called and spoke with my mother. I am simply exhausted.
Thanks!
Hal
first of all, i am not a jw and i never will be, for my own reasons that i need not discuss further.
however, i have a brother who is a jw and there is a serious problem that he is struggling with, which pertains to his horrible marriage, abusive wife, divorce and being "kicked out" of jw as a member... or whatever jw's call it.
he has been married to a woman for 22 years.
OK everyone... here it is. My brother has a binocular that is inset in his glass lense so that he can drive. Yeah... "sure he does." You know... I am getting to the point that it really doesn't matter anymore. I thought that I could come here for good information... which, NewLight2 fully understands what I am asking for... yet the rest of you do not understand. That's fine. I read the internet edicate that NewLight2 posted for me and I am thankful for that. I don't know everything. I have only shared with everyone 100% honesty and truth and it is so apparent that nearly all of the people here are simply not reseptive to me or this situation. I accept.
I am going to move on, having realized that the information on how to help me to help my brother to escape from the grip of the JW cult without him realizing what I am doing has apparently escaped your memories or your ability to inform someone like myself. I accept. As for me, the following is true. Laugh, make fun, hoot, hollar, be cruel, say what you want....... I've had enough... thank you.
I could not have been anymore real.
There is a man named Dave on the other website who called my home this morning for the second time. He spoke with my mother. My mother verified everything that I have written. All of it. Even the following events which explain my own background and the "confusion" (doubt) that you seem to have found regarding my Trucking Career and Science. This entire post has become NOT about helping me... but about proving to all of you if I am for real or not. I did not come here for that. I have enough to take care of and deal with right now. I do not have that kind of energy, nor should anyone ever expect that a "newbie" should have to "prove themselves" for the sake of your own entertainment. My situation is a serious one and nearly all of you have dropped the ball, except for ONE. NewLight2 understood clearly and realized the truth and honesty of what I was saying and asking for. The rest of you have hastled me, for the most part... and I am now quite tired, to say the least. I am only human. The following is what I wrote at the other website to clarify for them, too, of my honesty and sincerity. I am too tired right now to go on. You have no idea, or maybe you do, of how exhausting it is to keep up with all of this bickering... when what I needed was real help regarding the inner workings of the thought processes for which my brother is a victim of. I must free him because he is too far gone to free himself. If you can not understand that... then ... I accept.
Thanks anyway.
Hal.
"I am so glad that you asked all of these things. I will try my best to explain all of this. Please bear with me... and thank you:
When I was a very young boy I always wanted to drive a semi. I graduated BARELY from high school in 1982. My father was an extremely abusive man, who... by-the-way, raped me at age six. My self-esteem was extremely low and as a result of the rape I used to crap my pants until the age of sixteen. There is a medical term for this, although I do not know what the term is. It is a long name. I am sorry, but I just do not know the name. However, I overcame the rape and saught therapy for years to reparent myself. When I was 21 I went to truck driving school and began my life-long dream of trucking until my father passed away in 2002. My mother is old and she is also blind. I am ONE of 7 children. Three of us have my fathers genes and we are sighted. Four of them, including my brother, are legally blind. They have my mothers genes. My father was an inventor. He was also a self-taught fleet mechanic. He was an intelligent man. He taught himself mechanics and eventually was asked to be a professor of mechanics at a university... but he turned it down. He retired from mechanics and began a retirement business in the food service industry, at which, he and my mother recieved several awards from the state of Michigan for entrepeneurship in small business. The made over six million dollars in 10 years and it is attributed to my fathers intelligence... since he had only finished the 8th grade when he quit school to take care of his parents and siblings.
I take after my father in intelligence. I am proud of my 142 IQ, although I can see that it upsets people whenever I mention it. However, I also realize that an IQ is not all that it is cracked up to be. I am still only human and I struggle in the social world.
While trucking, I studied science, math and physics and became a self-taught scientist of space and space exploration. My uncle used to be a master electician for NASA in California where he wired the spaceships for NASA. He retired from there and became THE trouble-shooter for Consumers Power in the ENTIRE state of Michigan. When Consumers Power had a problem HE WAS THE ONLY ONE that was THE troubleshooter for the entire state when no one else could figure it out.
While trucking, I studied and read and taught myself math and science, as I said. My grades in school were terrible because of the problems of abuse that I had at home. It is not surprising to me that my brother married an abusive spouse, therefore. As for me, now that I care for my mother, I have a woodshop in my garage and I have invented several products and hold only a few patents for those products. I continue to study science and I hold a theory to the evolution of energy and spacetime. When I was only 8 years old I understood and could easily explain Einstiens Theory of Relativity to anyone who would ask me about it. Today, my theory of energy evolution and spacetime relativity is not known to anyone, except for what I have written about it... and have not yet released to the public. In a nutshell, I will say this much... and you all heard it here first:
I promise you that, the Speed of Light is Equal to the Resistence of Time.
In otherwords, Light is not a constant as science believes it to be. Spacetime is also not a constant. The resistance of time, Time as we know it, is relative... and that the speed of light is simply a relative measurement of that resistence. Therefore, to exceed the speed of light is absolutely possible within the correct warp in time or spacetime. I have been working with quantum physics to prove this, but it is not that easy. I am sure that I can do it alone.
YES. She is big. She can move quite fast for her size, actually. He will NOT hit her or beat on her. He refuses to hit her. He refuses to leave her... until now... again... for the second time. He is nearly blind, and she is worse off than he is. Blind people are not incapable of moving around as sighted people do. My mother cooked and cleaned and raised 7 children and she is nearly blind. My brothers wife does the same in her home, as well. She is big, mean and vicious. My brother had back surgery and he has had heart problems in the past. He is strong, but refuses to be pysically or mentally abusive to her. Even in his own defense. He even refuses to call the police when she beats on him or their daughter.
When it comes to travelling "only 70 miles" to his home... I have a mother to care for and a home to maintain. I have other obligations, as well, that do not allow me the freedom to leave like that. My brother has only recently been in contact with me regarding this "latest" abuse. I am certain that it has been taking place for quite a long time!
I hope that this helps to answer your questions. If not... PLEASE ask me ANYTHING and you will see that what might sound contradictory or false will be shown to be true and accurate... if I am asked to clarify things for you or anyone else who is still uncertain.
THANK YOU for asking.
P.S. Regarding 6 million dollars in 10 years. They retired with 1 million as 5 million went back into the business. The remaining one million went out to purchase two homes, healthcare, insurance, a few investments, personal family loans as high as $25,000. to one family member and the remaining money (not much) is in my mothers bank. We are not "rich" and there is no money for attorneys and such that we are comfortable "wasting" if it is not necessary.
Hal"
I'll be gone now. I am tired. I am tired of struggling with all of you and my own attempt to free my brother at the same time.
Hal.
first of all, i am not a jw and i never will be, for my own reasons that i need not discuss further.
however, i have a brother who is a jw and there is a serious problem that he is struggling with, which pertains to his horrible marriage, abusive wife, divorce and being "kicked out" of jw as a member... or whatever jw's call it.
he has been married to a woman for 22 years.
WOW NewLight2 !!
........................ a book like that has to be what I need. Geeez. THANKS.
It's ok now.......... that I was beaten on when I came here. I forgive them. All of them. I am happy that I am believed because that is important to me. My situation (my brother) is scary for me. I am desperate. Thank You so much for your effort and posting those book titles. I will go buy them and read them. I must. I absolutely must read them. I think my brother and his daughter are going to die if I do not get them away from there and help him to get away from the JW religion he is in. Thank You.
Hal
first of all, i am not a jw and i never will be, for my own reasons that i need not discuss further.
however, i have a brother who is a jw and there is a serious problem that he is struggling with, which pertains to his horrible marriage, abusive wife, divorce and being "kicked out" of jw as a member... or whatever jw's call it.
he has been married to a woman for 22 years.
THANK YOU ALL
I must go to bed. I am sorry that I was so terrible earlier.
I am grateful for your suggestions and I now know what to read and what not to read.
Sincerely, Hal Helmboldt
first of all, i am not a jw and i never will be, for my own reasons that i need not discuss further.
however, i have a brother who is a jw and there is a serious problem that he is struggling with, which pertains to his horrible marriage, abusive wife, divorce and being "kicked out" of jw as a member... or whatever jw's call it.
he has been married to a woman for 22 years.
Ok. Thanks. I will read them. Thank you.
...... and as for IQ I apologize. I did not know that IQ has nothing to do with emotional or social level of intelligence. No wonder I can not function well at those levels. I am glad you mentioned that. Yes. I would be interested in what your SAT scores were! I am not judgemental at all, unless someone is mean or abusive to me. I do not ever feel superior to anyone. In fact, I regard myself as being a humble person! I have a lot of friends, although many of my friends regard me as being sort of "different" yet very fun to be around.
Thanks for all of your posts/replies
Hal Helmboldt
first of all, i am not a jw and i never will be, for my own reasons that i need not discuss further.
however, i have a brother who is a jw and there is a serious problem that he is struggling with, which pertains to his horrible marriage, abusive wife, divorce and being "kicked out" of jw as a member... or whatever jw's call it.
he has been married to a woman for 22 years.
Ok folks:
Look, use whatever labels you need to help yourselves feel comfortable or superior. My IQ, if you understand IQ's, has absolutely nothing to do with being perfect or superior over anyone. I am a scientist and an inventor of new products with a few patents. I have the ability to "see" a product or invention in its completed form before it is even drawn onto paper for the first time. Some people can do math in their head as quickly as a calculator. Some people have great social skills. When I refered to my IQ, I was making a statement with regard to myself NOT for my IQ, in itself. I was making a statement in comparison to my ability to do some things greatly, while feeling a failure to help my brother to escape something that I have never studied and know very little about. WHO, then, better to turn to than those who have been there, such as yourselves. Perhaps, as some of you have shown me, it was stupid of me to choose to come here, then. Certainly, there must be more to the english language than to ridicule if not that it is meant precicely to communicate. Regardless of anyone's interpretation that I am stupid, or that my brother or my family is stupid, or that what I choose to do or write on this website is stupid... I will take responsibility for my own actions and take the consequences, too, should my actions prove to be stupid.
I am sorry that what I have written is so unbelievable. For example: Are you aware that his wife is nearly blind? She can hear very well and knows how to throw a bottle and knives in the direction iof his voice. Is it, then, understandable that she could easily sit inside of someone elses car that resembled her own car without knowing the difference? Perhaps, it is more clear to you now that you have chosen to disregard me as unbelievable and stupid for your own sake and comfort than to set aside your own bias' for the sake of listening while realizing that you can not possibly know everything about everyone or every situation, or even enough to reach a conclusion that I am a liar, a fake... or that I am simply "not worth caring about" or that you "don't care about me" or the situation I am asking help for. That is certainly fine with me. I do not need to know you personally to know you. I have read plenty. As for myself, I am comfortable with who I am and accept my own credibility regardless of the bias' of others.
To be "Beaten down" for 22 years day after day, week after week, year after year... and to have such a strong group of people telling him that he MUST remain married to her or else he will be condemned, PLUS the "fact" that he will not be one of the 144,000 people welcomed into Heaven, but only remain on an earthly paradise... AFTER having already suffered years of abuse,,,,, He stayed in it because he believed that in the end it would pay off and be worth it, since "worldly things" do not matter. He stayed because of that reason... but he can now barely function as a result of the continuous abuse. That is not hard to understand.
What IS difficult to understand is HOW do I persuade him in a covert manner to look at things differently without him realizing that I have been in contact with Apostates ? He will undoubtedly raise his defenses and thwart my efforts to lead him astray and free him (unknowingly) away from the insanity that he has become so closely related with. Stupid or not..... it is what it is and I am what I am.
Being stupid is a relative and ambiguous state of being. Try using your current intelligence 10,000 years from now. Try to explain to George Washington what a microwave is and how it works. Unravel the mystery of Black Holes and Space Time through Quantum Physics so that mathematically your answers are accurate. WHAT is "stupid"?
first of all, i am not a jw and i never will be, for my own reasons that i need not discuss further.
however, i have a brother who is a jw and there is a serious problem that he is struggling with, which pertains to his horrible marriage, abusive wife, divorce and being "kicked out" of jw as a member... or whatever jw's call it.
he has been married to a woman for 22 years.
Well, then...
I am wasting my time. When he comes to me for help and advise because he is so weak in his mind after having been married and abused for 22 years, and being a seriously devoted JW for 14 years or more... and his thinking process is so "washed" that he can no longer make reasonable decisions... I am not one who can laugh at him, or pick on him or ridicule him for becoming so disengaged from reality. I am the one he has turned to for help because I have managed to remain close enough to him because I knew way back "when" that the JW was some sort of cult when he joined them and I knew this was going to happen or that it could happen. He trusts me, but he believes the JW religion strongly. I don't understand why this is so hard for people to believe that what I have written is true. That is so strange to me to be unbelieved when I am here facing the reality of it. I am only asking for suggestions.
first of all, i am not a jw and i never will be, for my own reasons that i need not discuss further.
however, i have a brother who is a jw and there is a serious problem that he is struggling with, which pertains to his horrible marriage, abusive wife, divorce and being "kicked out" of jw as a member... or whatever jw's call it.
he has been married to a woman for 22 years.
Please don't start here too... for god's sake.
My IQ is 142. I mentioned it because I feel helpless in spite of my ability to do other things like, inventions and space science.
I can not seem to say or come up with any logic that will convince my brother to leave her or get him to reason why he should without leaving him to feel condemned. I will learn, though, because someone has directed me to read some books regarding the subject.
first of all, i am not a jw and i never will be, for my own reasons that i need not discuss further.
however, i have a brother who is a jw and there is a serious problem that he is struggling with, which pertains to his horrible marriage, abusive wife, divorce and being "kicked out" of jw as a member... or whatever jw's call it.
he has been married to a woman for 22 years.
I am back. I gave up on slippy's as I was ridiculed unmercifully and I blew up at them with words I wish I would not have used. HERE, at this site, I have been taken seriously. I AM FOR REAL. The story that I wrote is not even close to all of the abuse that he has taken.
WHY he puts up with it??? I am not him!! I don't know! That is why I turned to JW people who might be able to help me!
Someone listed some books for me to read. I will just start there, I guess.
first of all, i am not a jw and i never will be, for my own reasons that i need not discuss further.
however, i have a brother who is a jw and there is a serious problem that he is struggling with, which pertains to his horrible marriage, abusive wife, divorce and being "kicked out" of jw as a member... or whatever jw's call it.
he has been married to a woman for 22 years.
Thank You, again.
I am trying to keep up with all responses. Your reply, that you are no longer a JW is such a relief to read... that there is the possibility of hope for my brother and his daughter. I am getting some fantastic help here on this website and some great leads for other information to read and study. The more I learn and know the better I will be in a position to help my brother and his daughter. Thank You Very Much... and I am glad for you and your husband that you are no longer JW's and that you have managed to escape from it.
Thank You for your help.