Posts by RobertPalmer

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Just got something ... thought it might help

by RobertPalmer in

was just out at church and came home picked up my bible and read some thing.

it really jumped out at me so i thought i would share it ... it never made sense to me before it was always very confusing.

if it confuses you wait for the explination because i feel it may let you see what i saw in it.

RobertPalmer

Sorry about the misspelling of the word lord it is Kurios. Here is a direct translation word for word for the passage.

Jesus who in his unchangeable position being in very form and appearance God, who at no time thought it Robbery to be equal in quality or quantity to God. Humbled himself ?

It is because of this mixed position, ? that latter on it says to him every knee should bow, to the name of Jesus, because he has and always will remain God.

Reasoning below:

Iesous (Jesus) Hos (who, which, what, that) En (in, by, with etc) Morphe (form 3) Theos (God) Huparcho (been 2, being 9, belonging 1, exist 1, existed 1, gone 1, live 1, owned 1, possess 1, possessions 11, private means 1, property 1) Ou (not) Harpagmos (seize, robbery) Hegeomai (thought, lead) Einai (to be, to exist, to happen, to be present) Isos (equal, in quantity or quality) Theos (God)

In the order the words appear in the Greek text it reads:

Word for word Translation:

Jesus .. who .. in the fixed .. form ? of God ? possessing ? not ? robbery .. thought ? equality ? God

It could be split like this:

Jesus .. who .. in the fixed .. form ? of God ? possessing

not ? robbery .. thought ? equality ? God

Or everyday English:

Jesus who in his unchangeable position being in very form and appearance God, who at no time thought it Robbery to be equal in quality or quantity to God. Humbled himself ?

It is because of this mixed position, ? that latter on it says to him every knee should bow, to the name of Jesus, because he has and always will remain God.

Hos: who, which, what, that

another* 8, any 1, because* 7, deeds* 1, just 1, just* 1, once* 1, one 11, one* 6, other 2, others* 2, same 2, since* 3, so 1, some 7, some* 8, someone 1, such 1, there 1, these 6, these things 3, thing 1, things 4, third 1, this 22, this is what 1, those whom 1, until* 1, what 101, what* 2, whatever 5, whatever* 28, when 9, when* 3, where 1, where* 2, which 404, while* 3, who 158, whoever 4, whoever* 51, whom 218, whomever* 6, whose 38, why* 3

En: a primary preposition denoting (fixed) position (in place, time or state)

Morphe:

the form by which a person or thing strikes the vision
external appearance

form 3

Huparcho :

1. to begin below, to make a beginning

to begin

to come forth, hence to be there, be ready, be at hand
to be
to begin below, to make a beginning

to begin

to come forth, hence to be there, be ready, be at hand
to be

been 2, being 9, belonging 1, exist 1, existed 1, gone 1, live 1, owned 1, possess 1, possessions 11, private means 1, property 1

Ou: no, not; in direct questions expecting an affirmative answer

all* 1, any the less 2, before* 1, cannot 1, cannot* 49, certainly* 1, ever* 3, except 1, failed 1, few* 1, great* 1, greatly* 1, impossible* 1, incessantly* 1, kept...a virgin* 1, kept right* 1, long* 1, neither 2, neither* 3, never 6, never* 17, no 148, no* 22, none 4, none* 3, nor 3, nothing 8, nothing* 13, nowhere* 2, number 1, number* 2, only* 5, rather 2, rather than 1, refrain 1, refused* 1, than* 2, unable* 6, unaware* 3, unwilling* 12, unworthy* 1, virgin* 1, without 2, without* 6

Harpagmos:

1. the act of seizing, robbery

2. a thing seized or to be seized

booty to deem anything a prize
a thing to be seized upon or to be held fast, retained

Hegeomai :

1to lead

to go before
to be a leader

to rule, command
to have authority over
a prince, of regal power, governor, viceroy, chief, leading as respects influence, controlling in counsel, overseers or leaders of the churches
used of any kind of leader, chief, commander
the leader in speech, chief, spokesman

to consider, deem, account, think

Einai (to be, to exist, to happen, to be present)

consistent 2, equal 3, equality 1, same 2

Theos God, gods

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Comments You Will Not Hear at the 12-19-04 WT Study (Abbreviated)

by blondie in

comments you will not hear at the 12-19-04 wt study (november 15, 2004 issue)

review comments

will be in black and parentheses ().

RobertPalmer

Sorry about that ... the post didn't show up immediately ... so I thought it haddent been posted .... so i just wanted to put it some where.

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Comments You Will Not Hear at the 12-19-04 WT Study (Abbreviated)

by blondie in

comments you will not hear at the 12-19-04 wt study (november 15, 2004 issue)

review comments

will be in black and parentheses ().

RobertPalmer

This was so cool I just had to share it, could not seem to start a topic. Was just out at church and came home picked up my bible and read some thing. It really jumped out at me so I thought I would share it ... it never made sense to me before it was always very confusing. If it confuses you wait for the explination because i feel it may let you see what I saw in it. In Philippians 2:5 it says: Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made himself of no reputation, taking on the form and likeness of a bond servant, and comming in the likeness of men.

The bit where it says he did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, jumped out at me. When some one steals something, they take it, they take it away from the owner and they take it to them self. Here it says Jesus did not consider it robbery to be equal with God. He did not consider that he was stealing by saying he was equal to God. If we were to say we were equal to God we would be stealing, we would be taking something that belonged to God, and taking it to our selves. If we did that then it could rightly be said of us we were stealing from God. It is saying here of Jesus he did not consider he was stealing by saying he was equal to God, because he was. But he made himself a servant, comming in the likeness of men. So that is how we should think, God has given us his spirit, and great blessing, but we should be willing to serve, to take on a servants attitude.

Why is it then that it says "therefore God has highly exalted him and given him a name above every other name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, and that every toungue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the Glory of God the Father".

It is not because he humbled him self to the point of death that he received the name, which I had always thought. He already had it. The word "Therefore" refers to what comes before not just the single verese before but all of it. Jesus did not consider he was stealing by saying he was God. That is why he has the name at which every knee should bow. The way I read it is, Jesus said he was God, he did not think he was stealing by doing this, he became a man, was obedient until death, to save us. An now he has a new name, which is highly exalted (he did not have it before, because Jesus was not previously a known name for God). That is why all tongues will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, because the name Jesus is a name of God. To further suport this I once did a study on the word for Lord used in Jesus Christ is Lord. Lord is the greek work Kyros. It is Kyrios, the NWT translates the word Kyrios to Jehovah everywhere but not here. But Jesus is Kyrios, Jesus is Jehovah, but it is his new name to which every knee should bow. The new, and highly exalted name of Jesus. You are not stealing from God by calling Jesus Kyros, Paul did not think so.

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Wow this finally made sense.

by RobertPalmer in

was just out at church and came home picked up my bible and read some thing.

it really jumped out at me so i thought i would share it ... it never made sense to me before it was always very confusing.

if it confuses you wait for the explination because i feel it may let you see what i saw in it.

RobertPalmer

Was just out at church and came home picked up my bible and read some thing. It really jumped out at me so I thought I would share it ... it never made sense to me before it was always very confusing. If it confuses you wait for the explination because i feel it may let you see what I saw in it. In Philippians 2:5 it says: Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made himself of no reputation, taking on the form and likeness of a bond servant, and comming in the likeness of men.

The bit where it says he did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, jumped out at me. When some one steals something, they take it, they take it away from the owner and they take it to them self. Here it says Jesus did not consider it robbery to be equal with God. He did not consider that he was stealing by saying he was equal to God. If we were to say we were equal to God we would be stealing, we would be taking something that belonged to God, and taking it to our selves. If we did that then it could rightly be said of us we were stealing from God. It is saying here of Jesus he did not consider he was stealing by saying he was equal to God, because he was. But he made himself a servant, comming in the likeness of men. So that is how we should think, God has given us his spirit, and great blessing, but we should be willing to serve, to take on a servants attitude.

Why is it then that it says "therefore God has highly exalted him and given him a name above every other name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, and that every toungue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the Glory of God the Father".

It is not because he humbled him self to the point of death that he received the name, which I had always thought. He already had it. The word "Therefore" refers to what comes before not just the single verese before but all of it. Jesus did not consider he was stealing by saying he was God. That is why he has the name at which every knee should bow. The way I read it is, Jesus said he was God, he did not think he was stealing by doing this, he became a man, was obedient until death, to save us. An now he has a new name, which is highly exalted (he did not have it before, because Jesus was not previously a known name for God). That is why all tongues will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, because the name Jesus is a name of God. To further suport this I once did a study on the word for Lord used in Jesus Christ is Lord. Lord is the greek work Kyros. It is Kyrios, the NWT translates the word Kyrios to Jehovah everywhere but not here. But Jesus is Kyrios, Jesus is Jehovah, but it is his new name to which every knee should bow. The new, and highly exalted name of Jesus. You are not stealing from God by calling Jesus Kyros, Paul did not think so.

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Just got something ... thought it might help

by RobertPalmer in

was just out at church and came home picked up my bible and read some thing.

it really jumped out at me so i thought i would share it ... it never made sense to me before it was always very confusing.

if it confuses you wait for the explination because i feel it may let you see what i saw in it.

RobertPalmer

Was just out at church and came home picked up my bible and read some thing. It really jumped out at me so I thought I would share it ... it never made sense to me before it was always very confusing. If it confuses you wait for the explination because i feel it may let you see what I saw in it. In Philippians 2:5 it says: Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made himself of no reputation, taking on the form and likeness of a bond servant, and comming in the likeness of men.

The bit where it says he did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, jumped out at me. When some one steals something, they take it, they take it away from the owner and they take it to them self. Here it says Jesus did not consider it robbery to be equal with God. He did not consider that he was stealing by saying he was equal to God. If we were to say we were equal to God we would be stealing, we would be taking something that belonged to God, and taking it to our selves. If we did that then it could rightly be said of us we were stealing from God. It is saying here of Jesus he did not consider he was stealing by saying he was equal to God, because he was. But he made himself a servant, comming in the likeness of men. So that is how we should think, God has given us his spirit, and great blessing, but we should be willing to serve, to take on a servants attitude.

Why is it then that it says "therefore God has highly exalted him and given him a name above every other name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, and that every toungue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the Glory of God the Father".

It is not because he humbled him self to the point of death that he received the name, which I had always thought. He already had it. The word "Therefore" refers to what comes before not just the single verese before but all of it. Jesus did not consider he was stealing by saying he was God. That is why he has the name at which every knee should bow. The way I read it is, Jesus said he was God, he did not think he was stealing by doing this, he became a man, was obedient until death, to save us. An now he has a new name, which is highly exalted (he did not have it before, because Jesus was not previously a known name for God). That is why all tongues will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, because the name Jesus is a name of God. To further suport this I once did a study on the word for Lord used in Jesus Christ is Lord. Lord is the greek work Kyros. It is Kyrios, the NWT translates the word Kyrios to Jehovah everywhere but not here. But Jesus is Kyrios, Jesus is Jehovah, but it is his new name to which every knee should bow. The new, and highly exalted name of Jesus. You are not stealing from God by calling Jesus Kyros, Paul did not think so.