Posts by Saoirse

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Not for the faint of heart, Ghost caught on a Automobile commercial

by Wisdom Reaver in

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currently making the rounds on the internet, is an email with a video attachment, along with this message:.

strange but interesting.

this is a car advertisement from great britain.

Answer from the "Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses"

by Lilycurly in

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some of you might remember my situation....i have daed myself a while ago, and my father is the only jw in the family.

since i am very close to him and the family, he has read everything related to shunning, he even asked elders and even them are not sure.

so he wrote a big long letter to bethel to have an answer.

Saoirse

MY gawd isn't that the STUPIDEST thing when a father HAS to ask another person PERMISSION to speak with his OWN daughter!

AMEN!!!

(((((LilyCurly)))))

I'm sorry you are going through a difficult time right now. I found some articles that show how unscriptual the practice of disfellowshipping is. I thought they might help you when you talk to your Dad. I wish you the best.

http://www.towerwatch.com/Witnesses/Disfellowshipping/disfellowshipping.htm

http://www.jwinfoline.com/Documents/Coming_out_issues/Disfellowship/pf_is_disfellowshipping_scriptural.htm

http://www.escapefromwatchtower.com/friends.html

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heard back from my dad - you won't believe it!

by freedomlover in

hey all you great people - in case you read my letter i sent to my dad the other day you may be interested in his reply.

(see topic history for letter to my dad) .

i am so happy and relieved.

Saoirse

What beautiful letter, I'm so happy for you.

Your father sounds like a wonderful man. You must be on cloud nine right now.

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Many Questions

by urstruly in

hi i'm new to this forum.

i've looked at other websites to and i see all this about the jw's, now i'm not one, i was raised a jw but made my own decision and my parents respected that.

i've read so many horror stories, but my life wasn't like that at all, as a matter of fact, when they first knocked on our door and my mother accepted a study our life changed for ever, it was for the best in many ways.

Saoirse

I've read so many horror stories, but my life wasn't like that at all,

You're lucky. My years as a JW were pure hell.

as a matter of fact, when they first knocked on our door and my mother accepted a study our life changed for ever, it was for the best in many ways. I don't agree with some of the things but honestly if it wasn't for that knock on our door I just don't know what could have happened with a mother in to drugs an alcoholic dad and many many other things going on.

It's wonderful that your parents are no longer into drugs and alcohol. But they didn't need the witnesses to help them with that. They could have joined any other church or a rehab program to get help with their problems.

I don't agree with there beliefs, but if it gives others hope why mess with that?

They are not giving them hope, they are telling them a lie. The WT claims to adhere to the bible yet they deny the essential doctrines of Christianity. They deny the deity of Christ, His physical resurrection, and salvation by grace. They change and alter texts in the bible and they take scriptures out of context.

I'm sorry for what some of you have gone through but it sounds like some of you are just upset for being "punished", if you knew the consequences why get into it in the first place?

I was raised that way, I had no choice. I am not disfellowshipped.

And if you weren't happy being there either in anyhow, why be upset now because you were DF and even appealing?

Many appeal because they want family relationships that are denied them because of the WT's twisted interpretation of the scriptures. The Bible never said to shun family members and it never said to shun people who point out a false teaching or a false prophet.

Also, if you all are happy of being free, why hide behind nicknames or false pictures?

Identity theft, stalkers, elders hiding in your bushes - there are numerous reasons why people don't disclose who they are.

The way I see it, (I don't remember exactly what scripture) but if I recall correctly God says "vengence is mine" so does he really need you all or this website to uncover what ever is wrong within the org.?

Definitions of vengeance

The act of taking revenge (harming someone in retaliation for something harmful that they have done) especially in the next life

harm or damage done to someone in retaliation for harm or damage

Revenge or vengeance consists of retaliation against a person or group in response to perceived wrongdoing. Although many aspects of revenge resemble or echo the concept of making things equal, revenge usually has a more injurious than constructive goal. The vengeful wish to make the other side go through what they went through or make sure they'll never be able to do what they did again.

I don't understand why you think this discussion board is vengeful. This is a form of group therapy for many. Please explain what you mean.

If you all still believe in a God and his power, why don't you all leave it in his hands?

As a born-again Christian, I feel a personal responsibility to help my loved ones and other JWs know the truth about God. In the bible, believers didn't just stand by, twiddle their thumbs and wait for God to send thunderbolts from heaven. They took action and spoke out against wrongdoers.

Also, I see many harsh comments about JW's themselves and some JW's responding rudely

I have nothing against individual rank and file witnesses. I do have a problem with those in leadership positions. They are the ones who are responsible for teaching the lies.

but how do you really know that it is one of them and not someone else passing as one just making them look worse?

No one needs to impersonate JWs to make them look bad.

All religions have there skeletons and all have there rules to abide by so what makes the JW's so special? Mormons can't aren't supposed to drink coffee, Pentecostals aren't supposed to cut there hair, wear make-up, or jewelery are we going to condone them for their beliefs?

No one is perfect but if you continuously lie, break up families and permit pedophiles to hold leadership positions you should expect to be criticized. Mormons are criticized for their bizarre beliefs. All the Pentecostals I know wear makeup, fix their hair and wear lots of jewelry.

Besides who are we to judge?

Pointing out lies and false doctrine isn't judging.

What does being free to you all mean? Being able to swear and live inmoral life?

Freedom to me means being liberated from the lies I was taught and learning the truth about Christ. I try not to swear and I don't lead an immoral life. Your assumption that ex-JWs are immoral, vulgar people is extremely offensive to me. Most ex-JWs are good, caring, kind and wonderful people. I have seen more acts of kindness on this discussion board than I ever saw in all my years at the Kingdom hall.

Does God need our help to uncover the lies?

I'm sure God has his ways of dealing with this and he will.

How do know that God isn't using us to help people leave this cult? Psalms 94:16 Who will stand up for me against evildoers? Who will take his stand for me against those who do wickedness?

About child mollestation in the org. I don't think there's any org. that's free of these cases. As a matter of fact, I know for a fact that in my mothers congregation there was someone acused of sexual abuse, and the authorities where notified and he was deported! This was about 4 years ago. I was mollested as a child also, and I have to be honest the elders really helped me, my mother would be the one saying I was lying, she couldn't believe her own brother my uncle would do such a thing. But the elders had a talk with her, this one family actually opened the doors to their home so that I would be safe until my mom did something about it. (By the way, my uncle is not a JW he is a dovout catholic)

I am truly sorry that you were molested. But, I can tell you from personal experience that if it were a JW that molested you, it would probably have been handled much differently.

The problem isn't that a child was molested by a JW. The problem is that elders who knew about abuse were told not to report it to the police, that victim's families were told not to go to the police and that accused pedophiles were allowed to be elders in the congregation.

My church does background checks on anyone who has a leadership position or who works with children. Child abusers and pedophiles are not allowed to have any position in the church. Shouldn't the JW's, who claim to be God's sole channel of communication, do the same?

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Gossip - The JW Method

by Lady Lee in

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when i was still a jw, i hated gossip.

i work much better with facts.

the real facts.

Saoirse

What effect did the gossip mill have on your attempt to go back?

The gossip mill is what made me wanted to leave in the first place.

Did you find out there were stories circulating that had no truth in them whatsoever?

Never DFed but I was still the victim of gossip. Here's some of the rumors spread about me:

When my husband and I eloped, everyone thought I was pregnant.
My brother spread a rumor that I correspond regularly with Ray Franz
I was blamed for other relatives leaving the "truth", even though these people only contacted me after they decided to leave
I was blamed for corrupting the minds of my nieces and nephew
That my mother kicked me out of her house when I was in town for my grandmother's funeral - the truth is my mother was physically and emotionally abusive to me as a child and I had no intentions of staying at her house

My husband had the following lies spread about him:

He was the reason I quit going to meetings
When he left his ex-wife after she cheated on him with 2 different guys, her family claimed that they were divorcing because my husband was abusive - my husband doesn't have an abusive bone in his body
When we moved out of state because of his job, they spread rumors that he was a bad father

If you never went back have you found out about the rumors about you and what you supposedly did?

My husband and I are related to so many JWs that they can't say anything without us finding out about it.

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My Dad died this evening

by Mulan in

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i thought i would let you know that my dad, passed away a little while ago, tonight, january 23. they called me at 6pm to tell me.

he had been failing rapidly for the past month, and had completely lost his hearing and was totally blind.

the dementia was extreme too, and he still knew me on thursday, but didn't wake up to know me in the following days.

Saoirse

I am so sorry for your loss.

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HELP! 'FREELOADER' PIONNER SIS. WANTS TO USE MY LAPTOP! HELP!!

by stillAwitness in

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the "freeloader" pioneer sister who lives with us asked me this morning if she could "look" up something real quick on my laptop.

i was not prepared for this and quickly told her the system was down and i would let her use it later.

how do i get rid of all the recent sites box that you can scroll down to.

Saoirse

To keep Internet Explorer from filling out forms, go to

Tools ----> Internet options ------> Click the Content Tab --------> Click the AutoComplete Button -----> Clear all the checked boxes -------> Click clear forms ----> click clear passwords (make sure you have your passwords written down before you do this)

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Generation Change

by slugga in

i left the org slightly before the change in the "generation that was alive in 1914" thing was announced and wondered, what were peoples in the congregations reactions after this was announced and did it you notice people falling away because of it?

has it had a damaging effect?

Saoirse

I was beginning to fade before the generation change mainly because of the lack of love and all the legalism. Once the generation change took place, my husband and I never went back except for an appearance or two at the Memorial for his mother's sake.

The generation of 1914 was beat into my head since I was a child. 1914 is what made it the "truth" and what made the FDS God's sole channel. Taking that away just made them liars and false prophets.

I would say that about 75% of the kids I grew up with left the WT. I doubt they left solely because of the generation change but I'm sure the change just cemented any doubts they had.

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Are you a "loner"?

by JH in

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do you like being alone most of the time?

i don't know if it's due to the fact that i don't have many friends, but i get along fine all alone.

just posting here i don't feel alone.. .

Saoirse

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What a social butterfly! Your answers showed that you like being with people, and don't often get the urge to be alone. Your outgoing nature has likely helped you form many meaningful relationships and brought great experiences in to your life. Make sure, however, that you're able to be happy on your own. While it's wonderful to be social, it's also not healthy to depend too much on others for your happiness. If you always need to be with other people to enjoy yourself, consider breaking away from the pack from time to time and doing some stuff alone. Even if it feels a bit strange at first, you'll surely find it grows on you. Then, when you come together with the people who matter most to you, you'll have interesting things to contribute to the conversation.

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Anyone Have Notes From the One Day Assembly?

by Saoirse in

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my in-laws are at their one-day assembly today.

i am getting some information together to discuss with them and i wanted to know if anything special was announced or if it was just the typical jw pep rally.

if anyone has notes would you mind sharing them?

Saoirse

My in-laws are at their one-day assembly today. I am getting some information together to discuss with them and I wanted to know if anything special was announced or if it was just the typical JW pep rally.

If anyone has notes would you mind sharing them? I need to be prepared. Thank you!