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  Please help with WT quote

  by yesidid in

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  could someone please help me with the wt article where they say that you do not even have to speak to others about the things with which you don't agree with the society to be dfd.

  just the fact that you believe differently can get you zapped.

  need the info to help wavering friend.

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  borgfree

  I think the quote yesidid is looking for, is in Crisis of Conscience. It is in a photo copy of a letter Ray printed in the book.

  I am at work so I do not have access to my book.

  Borgfree
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  Do You Ever Miss It?

  by pettygrudger in

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  i was in a hormonal state the last couple of days, feeling a little melancholy.....sometimes when i feel like this, i miss being a jw.

  don't get me wrong, i have not intention of ever going back.

  i've come to realize what i miss is the naivety, the black & white thinking, allowing the organization to pretty much guide my every thought.

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  borgfree

  Mouthy,

  Thanks.

  Elsewhere,

  Come on, tell us how you really feel.
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  Do You Ever Miss It?

  by pettygrudger in

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  i was in a hormonal state the last couple of days, feeling a little melancholy.....sometimes when i feel like this, i miss being a jw.

  don't get me wrong, i have not intention of ever going back.

  i've come to realize what i miss is the naivety, the black & white thinking, allowing the organization to pretty much guide my every thought.

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  borgfree

  Mouthy,

  I agree with you.

  I do not miss the meetings, we have much better ones, when we want them, they are called support group meetings.

  I do not miss the assemblies or conventions, we have MUCH better ones.

  I do not miss the spirituality, it never existed there. Now I have the real thing.

  I do not miss the worship we gave to God at the meetings,... Oh, I guess we didn't do that after all. Never mind.

  After years of being treated so coldly by my family, I guess I am getting over missing them. I want the best for them, and that would mean they will have to leave the cult.

  I guess I don't miss anything of the Watchtower organization anymore, thank God.

  Borgfree
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  How would you answer?

  by sunshineToo in

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  i hate hearing, "you left jehovah?

  " as if i abandoned god.

  i get angry.

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  borgfree

  Hi sunshineToo,

  Usually I answer about the same as you say you do. If it is a quick, snide remark, I will say no, I have not left God, I have left a destructive cult.

  If they are really interested, and wish to give me time for a clear answer, I tell them that I am now closer to God and Jesus Christ than I have ever been in my life. I tell them that I spend much more time in ministry than I ever did as a JW, but, this time I enjoy it.

  I have told two or three of my JW relatives that, and their remark was, "I know" one of them then went on to say "and why is that" I gave my answer.

  Borgfree
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  Let's examine this picture more carefully

  by drahcir yarrum in

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  this is a picture of a new kingdom hall from a post several months ago.

  i was looking at the entryway and noticed two chairs by the door and thought it was a strange place for two chairs.

  are these chairs put there for the use of the "ancient prophets of old" if they should visit the kh?

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  borgfree

  I think the chairs are for the Son and The Holy Spirit, only The Father can be honored in the auditorium.

  Like the statue "to an unknown god" in Athens.

  Borgfree
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  Shoot First, Ask Questions Later

  by Robdar in

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  take a look at this article.

  this is what is going on in the usa while it's citizens are being distracted by rumors of war.

  this is a bad, bad, thing.

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  borgfree

  Just want to mention, the Miranda ruling has only been around less than 40 years. We did not do too bad before that ruling.

  MIRANDA v. ARIZONA

  June 13, 1966, Decided

  http://www.tourolaw.edu/patch/Miranda/

  Borgfree
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  Noidea and Myself's mother just passed away

  by Tinkerbell4125 in

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  i just got off the phone with carla.

  carla and paula's mother has just passed away.

  carla said that paula had been checking her post on and off all through the night and that it gave her much comfort in knowing that so many replied and showed that they cared.

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  Carla and Paula,

  Very sorry for your loss.
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  Reality check: World less happy about America

  by Pathofthorns in

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  facinating results from a global poll relating to public opinions of america in various countries around the world.. [url] http://www.torontostar.com/nasapp/cs/contentserver?pagename=thestar/layout/article_type1&c=article&cid=1035775217105&call_pageid=968332188854&col=968350060724[/url].

  a major survey on international opinion released in washington yesterday shows u.s. popularity has plunged across much of the world amid mounting perceptions that the united states is running roughshod over other nations.

  the planet's sole superpower commands only tepid affection, just as the u.s. government struggles to win international support for a possible military incursion against iraq as the next stage in its war on terrorism.. in fact, the prospect of a u.s.-led offensive aimed at overthrowing iraqi dictator saddam hussein has become a major irritant between washington and even its closest allies.. .

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  borgfree

  I would just like to say, I think there are some good posts on this thread. I especially like the reasoning of Freeman, Amazing, JT, and Hawkaw, not necessarily in that order.

  I believe, that sometimes, there are misunderstandings when we discuss topics like this one, with people from many different countries. I will speak for myself, but I do know many people who think the same way.

  I do not think most Americans look at the UK, Canada, Australia and some others countries as rivals, someone we must compete with for world power or anything else. I have always considered those countries as partners (maybe family) in keeping the world relatively safe and free.

  Americans have a different sense of humor (humour) sometimes, and that humor is not always understood by everyone. We will joke about England, or Canada, etc., but I do not think any American would like to be without the above mentioned countries as friends.

  As someone always says, just my 2c.

  Borgfree
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  Ex-JW Conventions and Support Groups

  by Yizuman in

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  has anyone ever attended any ex-jw conventions?

  like the one in new ringgold, pa where joan cetnar who is a former jw that hosts the convention every year?.

  what about support groups?

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  borgfree

  Of course I look for you there Grace. You must try to go to Calif. next year.

  Sometime I plan to come to your support group again, it depends a lot on Allens work schedule.

  We will try those Cuban cigars next time we are there.

  Borgfree
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  Ex-JW Conventions and Support Groups

  by Yizuman in

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  has anyone ever attended any ex-jw conventions?

  like the one in new ringgold, pa where joan cetnar who is a former jw that hosts the convention every year?.

  what about support groups?

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  borgfree

  Valis,

  My experience with support groups has been different from what you describe:

  Most of the XJW "support" groups are nothing but a religious replacement for the WTBTS and JWland

  I have been to groups in Columbus, Ohio, Indianapolis, Indiana, St. Jacobs, Ontario, Canada, and our own at Greenville, Ohio.

  For the most part people give their own stories, talk about whatever they need, or want, to talk about, and everyone listens. For many people what they really need, is for someone to just listen to them.

  I will admit that most of the people at the support groups I have been to, are Christian, but the topics have been about the same as you would find on this board, with a few exceptions. Christianity and the bible are sometimes discussed, but so are JW teachings, and other subjects.

  If you are looking for a place where Christian beliefs are banned, then you would probably not want to be at ex-jw support groups. If you do not mind discussing Christianity along with other topics then I think you will enjoy them.

  Borgfree