Posts by borgfree

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Are you for or against....

by RubyTuesday in

the senate passed the tax-cut today.

i'm mainly for it but i can see where there might be some problems with it.what do you think?.

http://www.msnbc.com/news/906941.asp?vts=052320030845.

Isn't it true that government borrowing is another tax? It seems to me that the government taxes us as much as they can and then, so they can spend even more, without looking like they are increasing our taxes by some huge amount, they borrow more money to spend, money that must be paid back, with interest.

I think if we knew the total amount we are being taxed, there might be a revolt, then again, maybe not, I think we now have more people on the receiving end of government (taxpayers) handouts than we have contributers. Socialist America.

Borgfree

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Convention program "Give God Glory"

by johnny_was_good in

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friday.

you are worthy, jehovah,to receive the glory.

revelation 4:11.

borgfree

As someone said at an ex-jw convention several years ago, alcohol is a safety valve for JWs. It helps them cope with all of the problems of being a JW. What will happen to that organization if the JWs get serious about controlling alcohol abuse? I think that could be the worse thing they have ever done to harm the WT.

Borgfree

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Ta!ta! to Simon ,Angie& everyone else on board .

by mouthy in

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to all of you i want to say thanks for the many hours ,love, fun, & affection i have experienced on this board...simon & ang a special ((hug)) for letting me be here.

to those who have adopted me as a mum, gran, friend thanks for putting up with me & wonderful comments you have made about me...i cannot keep up with the board anymore.

i am having trouble with my computer -which make me frustrated.

borgfree

Hi Grace,

Gee, a lot has gone on with this thread. Of course I would know you could not leave this place. (I know you)

Also, since you are two doors from my suite in PA, I know where all of the noise came from last year, please try to hold it down this year.

I think there may be at least two other members of my family at PA this year, I will not say who though.

Roy

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questions for SwordOfJah and others like him

by SpiceItUp in

i honestly want your answers to the following questions.

(i am trying to find out what jw's think on these things to determine what my parents may say in response if i ask them any of these)

question #1can individuals read & understand the bible alone, or do they need an organization and its publications to do so?

borgfree

SwordofJah,

You say:

JT: I know what the publications say, and you quoting a sentence here and there does not prove anything.

Isn't that exactly what Jehovah's Witnesses do when they quote the bible? One thing I learned, when I was leaving the WT org., is that, if I read the entire context of the scriptures, used by the JWs, the scriptures sometimes said just the opposite of what the JWs claimed they said.

You have stated, I believe, in earlier posts, that the bible is the authority of JWs, that all teachings must agree with the bible. Do you believe that statement is true? If so, do you read the bible more than you read Watchtower publications?

If you are serious about the bible being the most important authority to you, and all JWs, wouldn't it make sense to read it more than anything else? including WT literature?

I would guess that you would answer, but Jehovah deals with us through the "Faithful and Discreet Slave" Sorry, you cannot use that excuse, you said earlier that everyone must answer to "Jehovah of Armies" and I said, and will repeat, you cannot then, shove the responsibility off onto them, or anyone else. You must stand before God and give the reasons why you believe as you do, why you act on your beliefs as you do, and why you persecute others as you do.

Borgfree

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questions for SwordOfJah and others like him

by SpiceItUp in

i honestly want your answers to the following questions.

(i am trying to find out what jw's think on these things to determine what my parents may say in response if i ask them any of these)

question #1can individuals read & understand the bible alone, or do they need an organization and its publications to do so?

borgfree

SwordofJah,

To you it is:

I see the big picture instead of the small details such as BethSarim.

To me this is the reality:

It was a time of depression, my father and mother had several children, my father collected trash and sold it, he did odd jobs and everything he could to care for his family. At the same time he was a company servant, he filled his position to the best of his abilities, he bought two sound cars and went through the town playing the WT records, he put in 150 hours per month as a pioneer, he contributed what money he could to the WT. He and my mother and their children marched around churches with placards. We were at Connersville, Indiana, (you should be familiar with that story) and more.....

While my family was doing all that, the WT Society was building a mansion in San Diego along with some good property where they also built Beth Shan. Rutherford lived in the mansion in luxury, he drank smuggled whiskey from Canada, he smoked fine cigars, he traveled wherever he chose in style, and etc., etc.

And, you say "small details" ....not to me.

So no matter what I say, you will not listen, you will just cover your ears and sing 'la la la la la".

Everyone here has been through a lot, we have had to think very hard before making a decision to leave an organization that we thought was God's only channel to mankind. I don't think any of us took that step easily.

Maybe it is you that will not listen.

Borgfree

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questions for SwordOfJah and others like him

by SpiceItUp in

i honestly want your answers to the following questions.

(i am trying to find out what jw's think on these things to determine what my parents may say in response if i ask them any of these)

question #1can individuals read & understand the bible alone, or do they need an organization and its publications to do so?

borgfree

SwordofJah,

You have made so many statements that I would like to discuss, but do not have enough time right now. You just made another one:

Each one will answer to Jehovah of Armies at the end

If you believe that then how can you follow the dictates of the Watchtower Society?

If you must answer to Jehovah of Armies yourself, as you indicate above, then you must also decide for yourself what is true and what is false. You will not be able to shove it off onto the Faithless and Indiscreet Slavemaker. As you said, EACH one will answer to Jehovah of Armies.

Borgfree

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questions for SwordOfJah and others like him

by SpiceItUp in

i honestly want your answers to the following questions.

(i am trying to find out what jw's think on these things to determine what my parents may say in response if i ask them any of these)

question #1can individuals read & understand the bible alone, or do they need an organization and its publications to do so?

borgfree

SwordofJah,

Your statement:

See, not every single word out of the prophet's mouth was inspired. Certain messages were. The same with the Faithful and Discreet Slave class.

That's true, but all of God's people were not required to accept every word a prophet said, under threat of punishment, for not preaching the prophets wrong words. The WT does require acceptance of their wrong teachings, and, even requires that a JW preach those wrong teachings.

Borgfree

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questions for SwordOfJah and others like him

by SpiceItUp in

i honestly want your answers to the following questions.

(i am trying to find out what jw's think on these things to determine what my parents may say in response if i ask them any of these)

question #1can individuals read & understand the bible alone, or do they need an organization and its publications to do so?

borgfree

SwordofJah,

I am at work and cannot give this the attention I would like, but, you say:

What? They were preaching about God's Kingdom back then also, just like today. So things haven't changed in regards to God's purposes for the Earth.

No, that is not true. At that time they did not have two classes of witnesses, the heavenly class and the earthly class. All witnesses were going to heaven. That is definately a different "Good News" from what they preach today.

Also at that time the witnesses were to "worship" Jesus. Different gospel.

The witnesses celebrated Christmas and decorated bethel. Different gospel.

The witnesses hated the term religion and did not refer to themselves as a religion.

There are many, many other different teachings, but I cannot remember right now, most of them. The WT Society is totally different today from what is was is 1925. If you do not believe me, look it up in the "Studies in the Scriptures", or some of the other old books, see for yourself.

Borgfree

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questions for SwordOfJah and others like him

by SpiceItUp in

i honestly want your answers to the following questions.

(i am trying to find out what jw's think on these things to determine what my parents may say in response if i ask them any of these)

question #1can individuals read & understand the bible alone, or do they need an organization and its publications to do so?

borgfree

SwordofJah,

Your comment:

It's hard to know the mentality around that year, since I wasn't around at that time. I guess by some publications, it seemed that that was a belief, but it wasn't the most importante aspect of the organization. In 1925, they were promoting the preaching of the Good News, which is much more significant.

Do you realize that if you were to preach that "Good News" that they were preaching back then, you would be called apostate, and disfellowshipped?

Borgfree

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666 THE MARK! but who? Part One

by elumn8_2 in

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666. you all know it as the mark of the wild beast.

i'm begining studies on this subject and my first impressions so far have been quite interesting.

i believe that the jws have it wrong.

borgfree

Hi elumn8_2,

I just do not think the Watchtower Society is that important, that the bible would have any reference to them, other than false prophet, of course.

Borgfree