as a kid i felt that jehovah would bring his big hand down from the sky and slap the hell out of the ground, and if i was under it then it would be real bad.
the fact is i found it hard to camp outside and enjoy looking at the night sky with all of its stars, fearing the big old hand was going to slap the area around me at that very moment and ruin trees shrubs the fish we had caught our tent my dads truck, and us oh man everthing else too.
shane
I as a child had a copy of FROM PARADISE LOST TO PARADISE REGAINED, which contained a two page spread depicting the battle of Armageddon. So that image stuck with me: fire raining from the sky, falling buildings, floods, people beating the daylights out of each other, people (and a dog and a bike) falling into a huge opening in the earth. That image scared the daylights out of me, even though I didn't get baptized until I was 21.
Love, Jaypeeto
my personal favorite, popular in my area in 1982, was the story that little plastic "smurf" dolls were biting the ankles of hapless witness moms who had bought the demonic toys for their little children.
does everyone have a favorite laugh-out-loud jw urban legend?
please share!.
I'm in the greater Miami area. North Miami Beach, actually, though I work in downtown Miami.
Jaypeeto
i was brought up in the 'truth' for many years until i was 20 or thereabouts and now being on the outside looking in i see not only jw's for what they really are but i believe i see religion for what it really is too.. consider this point, and this reminds me of a song written by alanis morrisette entitled, forgiven which is a pretty cool stab at religion itself if you read the lyrics closely...one part of the lyrics is 'we all had our reasons to be there'.
if you came into the truth, consider the reasons why, what were the circumstances of your life...were you searching for something.
even if they were brought up in it...consider the reasons why their parents started to believe.
Though I was raised around the WT's teachings, I only got baptized after having a powerful religious experience in my early 20s. Since the WTS doctrines were the only thing I knew, I naturally assumed that I was being "called" to be a JW. I had, and had very vigorously, the "heavenly hope." Well, the congregation elders would have NONE of THAT, since I was born way after 1935. So they told me that my powerful religious/spiritual experience was not from God, and after that I had a nervous breakdown, lost my faith, fell back into sinful ways, eventually got DF'd.
Love, Jaypeeto
i was born in 1964, a convenient 50 years after 1914. even in my early teens i was doing the sums.
i had a worse case scenario figured out - if the 1914 generation could apply to babies and even if they lived to be a 120, i would still only be about 70 years old after they'd all died!
i figured that i was part of the first wave of 'jehovah's people' that really would live to see the new order - guaranteed!!
I absolutely took it seriously, as I did all WTS teachings until about 5 years after I was DF'd. Then I began reading "apostate" (yeah, right) literature, and the Bible by itself, etc., and learned of the Society's continuous flip-flops, and around 1988 I realized the Society was a complete fraud.
Love, Jaypeeto
my personal favorite, popular in my area in 1982, was the story that little plastic "smurf" dolls were biting the ankles of hapless witness moms who had bought the demonic toys for their little children.
does everyone have a favorite laugh-out-loud jw urban legend?
please share!.
My personal favorite, popular in my area in 1982, was the story that little plastic "SMURF" dolls were biting the ankles of hapless Witness moms who had bought the demonic toys for their little children. Does everyone have a favorite laugh-out-loud JW urban legend? Please share!
Love, Jaypeeto
the entire premise of the debate of christ's "presence" as discussed in matt24:3 to me makes no sense.
here's why: we have to assume by the question asked by the apostles, that they understood the whole "presence" concept, which they didn't.
they were merely asking him when "the end" would come, i'm not even sure if they know what "the end" really meant.
No, upside/down, you're not "out there."
The disciples had no concept whatsoever of the Governing Body's nonsensical 19th century notion of an invisible parousia. This fantasy occured to Russell and the JWs have stuck with it ever since.
Love, Jaypeeto
i have been off the internet for a long time.
i see some familiar names here from the old h2o site.. how is everyone?
i'm still a catholic...interesting posts about 2034 being the new date for the end.... jaypeeto
Forscher, I tend to agree with your assessment.
I think it is a trial balloon. But remember, they never came right out and SAID "The world is going to end in 1975," either, what they did was state that the 1914 generation would be around at the End, and that the 1914 generation was "well over sixty years of age" and then talked about a generation being 70 years, or at the most, 80 years. And they joined that to their claim that 1975 marked the 6,000th anniversary of Man's creation and that that left only 1,000 years remaining of the Creative Day.The rank and file did the math, as they were intended to, and JWs went around proclaiming that 1975 would be the End, and no one in authority did anything concrete to actively discourage this. I remember in 1968 a Witness telling me that everything would be over by "at the LATEST 1975."
Oh well, those were the days...
my wife has been a jw for about 10 years (we have been married 15 years).
over the years i have tried various strategies to deal with this, which i won't go into here...except that i have agreed to "read the bible" with my wife...and i get to pick the translation.. what translation would be best recommended to help highlight the errors of the nwt and jw thinking in general?
i have seen here that today's english version has been recommended...anything else?
I like the NIV, the NASB, and the New American Bible for Catholics (tho I don't care for the study notes)
Jaypeeto :-)
i have been off the internet for a long time.
i see some familiar names here from the old h2o site.. how is everyone?
i'm still a catholic...interesting posts about 2034 being the new date for the end.... jaypeeto
No, didn't forget to pay the bill.
Just stopped using AOL. Plus got a little tired of the debating scene over at the old H2O site.
It seemed everyone was pretty much arguing the same points over and over again. This site seems pretty cool and very animated.
i have been off the internet for a long time.
i see some familiar names here from the old h2o site.. how is everyone?
i'm still a catholic...interesting posts about 2034 being the new date for the end.... jaypeeto
I have been off the internet for a long time. I see some familiar names here from the old H2O site.
How is everyone? I'm still a Catholic...interesting posts about 2034 being the new date for THE END...
Jaypeeto
