Posts by rebel8

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Watchtower 'Experts' on Being Gay?

by jw07 in

have you seen this article?.

the watchtower is trying to be experts on all things having to do with human sexuality.. repressing sexual desires, gay or straight only creates more problems.. http://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/family/teenagers/ask/pressure-to-be-gay/.

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rebel8

The Bible...simply directs those with homosexual urges to do the same thing that is required of those with an opposite-sex attraction

That is a bold-faced lie. The bible says heteros can get married and do it as much as they want; it says homosexuals can never be together and be pleasing to god. So let's recap:

A-ok

Hetero sex after marriage
God impregnating a human female
Cain marrying his sister and creating an entire race of people
Abraham and Amnon marrying their half-sisters
Lot's daughters getting him drunk and raping him
Moses' father marrying his aunt
Noah's grandkids marrying each other
Jesus cuddling with men

Not ok: any sort of physical contact or marriage between women or between men

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Leaving with Dignity - a sample document

by Ajax in

we live in democratic, not theocratic times.. churches no longer imprison, torture or execute.. cults have absolutely no authority over non members.

we don't have to obey.

we don't have to subject our selves.

rebel8

I like your idea.

I have composed and published another idea here.

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Freinds, how many do you have ?

by Satanus in

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friends

i'll start.

i'm low on friends, for various reasons.

scientists poke their calculators into everything, and the number of friends we can have is one of them.

rebel8

I have literally a few people who I consider close friends, in that I could talk to them about anything and they would help me if a tragedy happened. However, they live on the other side of the continent.

I have only mr. rebel8 as such a close friend nearby. This makes me uneasy, because I'm not sure it's entirely healthy, and what if something happened to me.

I have lots of acquaintences. There are a few I'd like to be closer to.

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Why Do Theist Struggle So Much For A God Who Supposedly Exists?

by Coded Logic in

a theist made this casual statement on another thread,.

from ancient accounts hostile to christinity, we can learn about (jesus).

as a theist, how could they possibly trust the source to suggest this to himself?

rebel8

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"Big Eyes" the story of artist Margaret Keane

by designs in

the tim burton film is ready for release.. www.thewrap.com/big-eyes-premiere-finds-audience-howling-at-christoph-waltz-and-amy-adams-dueling-artists/.

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rebel8

bluesbrother, are those really in the assembly halls?

I totally respect and love visual arts...but omg...I am just lol. I didn't realize it was possible to make the wts paradise zoo stories even more tacky and unbelievable.

Sorry but omg. She's a talented artist, maybe her work is not to everyone's taste, but you gotta admit she has talent. But the paradise petting zoo pieces just freak me out.

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From 1 to 10, how do you rate the value of the Internet in your awakening?

by Hidden-Window in

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friends

as we all know, the internet is a real game-changer in allowing us to know the truth about the watch tower and its history.

i always had doubts and it was the internet that presented me with the ever-growing number of individuals who were going through a similar struggle.. i give the internet a 9 in my awakening.

what about you?.

rebel8

0.

There was no Internet back then.

There was no way for questioning people to find each other, other than guessing each others' state of mind, if you happened to know someone. I was all alone.

As for information, I had a lot of the old-time publications so it was blatantly obvious they didn't always have The Truth as they claimed. Then they went on that wacko bend with that red Revelation book, and the big blue creation book, most of which was obviously batshit insane, and the rest was easily disproven in the public and school library. I mean, misquoting scientists to falsely present their views as pro-creation is just dumb. I almost wonder if they think, "I wonder how obvious we can make the lies to see how much the flock blindly trusts us."

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Why are the Jesus people so obsessed with spreading their message?

by fulltimestudent in

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friends

are they fearful that they are mistaken, so they must argue with everyone, and try to prove all otehr religions wrong, but their's right?.

i'm not talking about the well-known jw persistence, in which we all once shared.. i'm talking about nearly all brands of christianity, the witnesses and their other branded counterparts.

here are two incidents to demonstrate.. a week or so back, i read in a chinese newspaper of a complaint by two tibetan buddhist women in the city of xining, qinghai province, in western china.

rebel8

Evangelizing is a mandate for xians.

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There won't be snow in Africa (xmas songs you hate)

by rebel8 in

jw
friends

ok so be a scrooge or grinch for 5 minutes.

you know you want to.. i loooove xmas songs but there are a few that make me cringe.. the old feed the world.

"there won't be snow in africa.

rebel8

Oooh, Trans-Siberian Orchestra. I want to see them IRL sometime.

Grandma got run over by a reindeer. Kill me now.

Buble is ok with me. Who's Bing?

So here's the thing. I pretty much immerse myself in xmas music after Thanksgiving. I listen to a radio station that plays it all the time. Except it's the same versions of the same songs over and over. So many artists have produced xmas music and I do enjoy most of it. Why no variety?

Here's some produced by the children of a current jw (and a jw at the time the album was produced, as far as I can tell.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZ1iu3skJeQ

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There won't be snow in Africa (xmas songs you hate)

by rebel8 in

jw
friends

ok so be a scrooge or grinch for 5 minutes.

you know you want to.. i loooove xmas songs but there are a few that make me cringe.. the old feed the world.

"there won't be snow in africa.

rebel8

Ok so be a Scrooge or Grinch for 5 minutes. You know you want to.

I loooove xmas songs but there are a few that make me cringe.

The old Feed the World. "There won't be snow in Africa." "Do they know it's Christmastime at all?" A favorite song for people ignorant of climates and world religions.

Christmas Shoes. Not sure I can put into words why I hate it so much. I actually turn the radio off when it comes on. I think I'd like to know the name of the guy who paid for the shoes. I've got a Nigerian prince who needs help transferring some money.

Now where's Dominick the Christmas Donkey?

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Just 2 questions regarding the U.S. law around sex abuse

by joe134cd in

i just have 2 questions regarding the u.s law around sex abuse.. (1) in this country it is quite common for the events of a sex abuse trial, to have suppression orders placed on it.

one i can think of was when the offender was given name suppression because to identify the abuser would also mean identifying the victim, so hence both were given name suppression.

now with regard to the out of court settlements and gag orders by the watchtower, and yes i do realise that the wt would have the most to benefit by doing this.

rebel8

Ok, well the perp, and only the perp, is at fault for the crime.

I think the victims themselves may have unvented anger remaining and maybe they are expressing it in a somewhat ineffective manner. I think that's forgiveable. I'm not saying it's ideal, just understandable.

Imagine your deepest, darkest, most humiliating secret. One you buried a long time ago and tried to pick up the pieces of your life and move on from. But you can't. You're still hurting and maybe others are being victimized now too. Keeping silent is becoming a less rational option--you feel compelled to take action. You tell the horror story to an attorney, and his/her staff, then in a deposition, then in court. To strangers. Also, to the perp himself, who may get gratification from hearing you talk about it. You may even be afraid to see him.

Now, are you going to be the most calm, articulate version of yourself?

As to what their attorneys do, you can't 100% blame the clients for that. The attorney's job is to win the case and sometimes that means saying and doing things that aren't necessarily the same thing you and I would.