Posts by rebel8

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Whatever Happened to the Remnant?

by snugglebunny in

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back in the 50's, when i was just a skinny kid, my father became po of a new congregation.

he'd only been baptised for around 4 years, so his rise was quite remarkable.just one of his flock in the new cachement area was of the "remnant".

this lady was well into her 60's, childless but married.

rebel8

She claimed to be able to recognise fellow remnant members and they claimed the same.

Holy cow. Psychics.

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2001 Symposium on "Problems of Bloodless Surgery" in Moscow - Sherri Ozawa explains the HLC and bloodless medicine clinics

by OrphanCrow in

a few years ago, prior to researching the field of "bloodless medicine", i was under the mistaken impression that bloodless surgery was a field of medicine that sat "outside" of the watchtower influence and operated as a part of mainstream medicine.

since that time, i have discovered that "bloodless medicine" has been founded and maintained by the watchtower society itself.

bloodless medicine is the watchtower society - it has been organized by people who have been trained by the wts and therefore, the bloodless industry is controlled by the wts.

rebel8

Once again, you and I share an interest, Orphan Crow.

"bloodless medicine" has been founded and maintained by the Watchtower Society itself

I found that out as well. As with many other things, wts steps up and takes credit for certain things they did and did not do, while at other times they pretend as though others did things they did. They flip back and forth between these strategies as the situation suits their needs. (They do this with the Holocaust, neurolinguistic programming, and the US civil rights movement, among other things. It's a standard strategy of theirs.)

I've found a high level of dishonesty among "bloodless medicine" proponents. The dishonesty centers upon their ties to wts/jws. They predictably deny their sympathies or outright involvement with the cult, while presenting their information at conferences and online.

I have come to regard "bloodless medicine" as comparable to Scientology's practice of not allowing women to make noise during labor, or sweat lodges to cure cancer.

Medical professionals use "unusual cases" to learn things, so sometimes you will see a journal article about a particular case. For example, they may learn the efficacy of alternative approaches--something they could not normally learn in an ethical research study where they cannot use humans as sacrifices. j-dubs misconstrue this as validation--"doctors are learning we are right."

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Why hasn’t someone gotten real pissed off yet?

by John Aquila in

i keep reading of some guy who is so upset at someone that he goes into a theater and shoots 20 people..

or a kid that is so mad that the other kids made fun of him that he goes to school and shoots a bunch of kids..

or some guy that was fired from his job and he goes back and shoots of bunch of his workers.

rebel8

I read that sentencing was under way yesterday for the Colorado theater shooter, so maybe Simon Says may be confusing that with the Louisiana shooting, which occurred after this thread was started.

Even if this thread had been inspired by the LA incident, I see absolutely nothing ghoulish or inappropriate stated here.

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Why hasn’t someone gotten real pissed off yet?

by John Aquila in

i keep reading of some guy who is so upset at someone that he goes into a theater and shoots 20 people..

or a kid that is so mad that the other kids made fun of him that he goes to school and shoots a bunch of kids..

or some guy that was fired from his job and he goes back and shoots of bunch of his workers.

rebel8

omg 2 confirmed dead so far at the theater. :(

They need to get metal detectors and security.

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Why hasn’t someone gotten real pissed off yet?

by John Aquila in

i keep reading of some guy who is so upset at someone that he goes into a theater and shoots 20 people..

or a kid that is so mad that the other kids made fun of him that he goes to school and shoots a bunch of kids..

or some guy that was fired from his job and he goes back and shoots of bunch of his workers.

rebel8

@ this sad moment, CNN is reporting breaking news of a shooting in a Louisiana theater. :(

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In regards to j-dubs doing this, it has happened. In my congregation, a bro got in trouble and there was some sort of altercation or argument with the elders. The elders accused him of demonism. I heard a rumor he was hearing voices, which fits with the story. Back then they thought there was no such thing as psychosis & counseled psychotic folks to stop their demonism.

The bro then murdered his 2 young kids and wife, then went to a gas station, poured gas on himself and tried to light himself on fire. He was caught and arrested.

They were a beautiful family and even the bro was really amiable, to my recollection. I don't remember any signs that he was mentally ill, but I was a kid myself back then and may not recall.

My guess is this happened in 1978 or 1979. Does anyone remember this? Upstate NY.

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Facing up to the reality of the world

by purrpurr in

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since becoming atheist i have been paying more attention to world events and issues.

this is giving me some worry's when i see what's going on.

as a jw i could just dismiss stuff saying "armageddon is coming, jehovah will look after us" etc etc now of course i can't do that.

rebel8

Human beings are selfish and will continue to destroy Earth. (Religious people seem to be worse about this in my observation, because they believe gawd is going to come around and wipe it clean.) I think we need to take reasonable efforts as individuals to do the right thing and influence others to. This will slow the destruction and suffering resulting from it, but I don't think we as a species will stop ourselves entirely. There will eventually be a cataclysmic event to reduce or eliminate humans from the planet, and life will go on again as it has for so much of our history.

Despite knowing this, we should also try our best to enjoy life and make the most of our brains and energy to contribute to society.

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Will the Governing Body decree that Starbucks is forbidden??

by DATA-DOG in

it's bad enough that jws waste valuable, life-saving minutes getting coffee, but now this happens.... http://www.starbucks.com/careers/college-plan.

so many dubs work at starbucks!

this is a dangerous situation that must be from satan!

rebel8

I'm surprised dubbies are allowed to work at a restaurant, handing out cups all day with Pagan logos on them.

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JW Broadcasting is dying.

by John Aquila in

once a month about 15 to 20 elderly jw publishers would meet at the kingdom hall and one elder was assigned to set up the system so they could view jw broadcasting.

these publishers were long time pioneers, former elders, and long time publishers who know nothing about computers or the internet.

they are the last batch of those expecting the generation that saw 1914 or understood it--- to not die off.

rebel8

Then the feed the elite thing...big fat heavy dinners for lunch??

I am appalled that elderly ladies were imposed upon to provide any meals, let alone expensive, hard to prepare items.

Were they expected to transport it too? It's difficult to manage that, let alone strength required to carry it.

Was this for pioneer school? Just to put it in perspective (possibly), I don't recall ever getting meals cooked for me outside of pioneer school. in the school, 1 local kingkongregation was assigned to provide the lunches 1 of the days. Then each cong would ask for volunteers to bring stuff. They overdid it big time. It was a huge buffet with heavy food.

Other than that, like I said, pioneers weren't fed. We actually got shat on quite a bit. They had to do a special needs talk about people "letting" the pioneers always drive and talk at the doors in field service, and nobody even contributing gas $. The publishers were quite happy to let us do all the work. Elite? My sweet patootie.

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