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  Everybody loves Raymond

  by Saintbertholdt in

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  2. scandals

  a while ago the user vinman started a forum thread called: "ray franz was an idiot".

  the reaction to it was quite negative but i have to admit that the title of that thread was intriguing to me.

  by nature i am an iconoclast.

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  rebel8

  That was painful to read, because of my admiration of Ray. However, as a skeptic, I appreciate your skepticism.
  
  It is possible that Ray did think he may write a book and may have been betraying the wts in his final days with them. But at the end of the day, that is not a problem for me. Look at how many people do the same here while trying to escape. Ray and his wife lived at Bethel and he was on the gb--it's not as though he would or could just move out the milisecond he got a doubt. Cognitive dissonance creates these situations of half in, half out.
  
  Obviously if he brought wts property (documents) with him when he left, that indicates betrayal. (I left one high level job at a company because there was illegal conduct going on the company wouldn't address. You bet your sweet you-know-what I brought proof with me when I left, after being sure I wasn't stealing anything or violating any policies. CYA, baby.) So...I can't see why he wouldn't do the same. And thank the Flying Spaghetti Monster he did. He saved a lot of lives.
  
  
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  How many teens stay because they have their eye on someone they hope to marry?

  by purrpurr in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was just watching a documentary film about the amish.

  this one girl who left said she didn't leave until her early twenties because as a teen until then she had her eye on one of the boys in the church.

  she had a crush on him and hoped to marry him.

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  rebel8

  She had a crush on him and hoped to marry him.

  As an aside, that is exactly the childlike nature of many jw unions I'm aware of. A "crush" seems to be more of an inexperienced, hormonal attraction. It's not a mature, deep love, and yet they make lifelong commitments based on it. Sad.
  
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  Need Help with Blood Transfusion Illustration

  by Dissonant15 in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  please, who can provide an intelligent rebuttal to the following illustration?

  i always thought it was bullet-proof:.

  "if your doctor directs you to 'abstain from alcohol' would you be ok to have it injected into your veins rather than drink it?

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  All addicts and alcoholics, by the way, don't 100% abstain from mind-altering addictive substances.

  They don't all abstain from every food containing vanilla extract.

  They use drugs when needed for surgery, childbirth, cancer pain, etc.

  They take prescribed psychoactive substances when needed to treat mental illness.
  

  These are not considered relapses.
  
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  Need Help with Blood Transfusion Illustration

  by Dissonant15 in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  please, who can provide an intelligent rebuttal to the following illustration?

  i always thought it was bullet-proof:.

  "if your doctor directs you to 'abstain from alcohol' would you be ok to have it injected into your veins rather than drink it?

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  There are many doctrinal arguments about the bible not prohibiting blood.

  Personally, I see a little merit in them, but the real issue is that there is nothing morally wrong with a lifesaving medical procedure that only helps people and harms nobody.

  The bible is not a source of good morals, and as long as people try to point to it as a source of right and wrong, you have a severely limited ability to reason with them.

  evilbible.com
  
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  BBC interview about 1975 - never heard this before..

  by defender of truth in

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  2. beliefs

  for any lurkers who don't believe the watchtower taught that the world would end in 1975... rare jehovah's witnesses 1968 interview "armageddon and 1975" london watchtower rep speaks to bbc.

  http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=npmt-ml-m-g. --------.

  but where will this system of things be by that time?

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  My jw parent got baptized in 1974 and told me (a young child) if I went to the hall with her I would be in paradise with a pet lion in Autumn 1975, so I wouldn't miss out on Christmas at all, because Christmas wouldn't exist.
  
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  Why isn't demon possession a DF offense?

  by rebel8 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  let's review: it's a cult!.

  allrighty--got thinking about it in this thread.

  isn't it odd that, of all things, that isn't on the list of df offenses?

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  ^I have no idea what that means.
  
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  Why isn't demon possession a DF offense?

  by rebel8 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  let's review: it's a cult!.

  allrighty--got thinking about it in this thread.

  isn't it odd that, of all things, that isn't on the list of df offenses?

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  I could get dfd for allowing a man to put his private parts inside my body but not for allowing an entire demon to enter my entire body.
  
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  Why isn't demon possession a DF offense?

  by rebel8 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  let's review: it's a cult!.

  allrighty--got thinking about it in this thread.

  isn't it odd that, of all things, that isn't on the list of df offenses?

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  I think I'm going to call up the local cong and tell them I'm a baptized dub who deliberately invited the demons into my body, I'm not repentant, I'm not going to DA myself and I'm going to start attending meetings.
  
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  Why isn't demon possession a DF offense?

  by rebel8 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  let's review: it's a cult!.

  allrighty--got thinking about it in this thread.

  isn't it odd that, of all things, that isn't on the list of df offenses?

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  Let me get this out of the way for you. Let's review: It's a cult!

  Allrighty--got thinking about it in this thread. Isn't it odd that, of all things, that isn't on the list of DF offenses? Seriously.

  People get DFd for getting raped if they don't scream. Is there an "I screamed" loophole for demon possession?

  Does it require 2 witnesses?

  What is the issue?

  I think I'd like to be DFd for demon possession right now. How would I go about making that happen? I do not want to be considered DAd. No, I'd like them to kick me out for full-on, frothing at the mouth, used Tupperware owning, send the hogs off a cliff, old school demon possession.

  
  
  
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  The Loyalty Question

  by choosing life in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  how many here have been asked the loyalty question by an elder.

  i am referring to, "do you believe that jehovah is using the faithful and discreet slave class to accomplish his work?

  " or something along this line?.

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  It was a long time ago, but as I remember it, they asked me something along those lines and if I believed it was the truth. I think I said I don't know, which was true at the time. All I knew at that moment was I wanted nothing to do with jws ever again, even if it meant I'd be a lightning rod at Armageddon, I wanted nothing to do with those horrible people.

  As far as I know, I was never DAd or DFd. There was some discussion, I think, that if I ever decided to associate with dubs in the future, action could be taken if I was not following the dub rules.

  I am not positive what my status is. I know I'm partially shunned--unfortunately, some have tried to speak to me over the years. ;) And I've been told that I'm possessed by demons.

  Of all infractions leading to DFing, you'd think being possessed by demons would be one of them. Weird.