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  WTS Rich or Hurting for $$$

  by Zeds Dead in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  seen a few discussions asking if the wts are hurting for $$ or still sitting on a mountain of gold.. regardless of their child abuse legal fees and ongoing broadcasting for more dough, i believe they have piles and piles of cash.. talked with a diff'd accountant who sat in the accounting dept.

  at the conventions for years.. a football stadium (or the like) costs them about $70 - 90,000 to rent for a 3 day dub show.

  they take in $400,000 in donations from the r&f.

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  Dub show

  ROFL! That is going in the next update of the apostate dictionary.
  
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  Potential Muslim convert

  by StopTheTears in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  about a month ago, i purchased arabic/english gospels of john that contain a commentary for muslims.. .

  i went to one of my neighbors and spoke to him and gave him one.

  fast forward to today, my brakes need done so i took my car to the shop, walking back into my street i saw my friend abdullah outside.. .

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  This is such a weird thread.
  
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  So getting disfellowshipped sounds kind of great.

  by schnell in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i grew up in this religion, i was baptized at 14, married at 27, and now i'm 31. i'm also evolutionist and atheist.

  i wanted this to be the truth.

  i spent years as an apologist trying to reconcile everything.

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  Congratulations on seeking and accepting the truth. That is a very difficult thing to do, as many of us know firsthand.

  You don't have to play by their rules anymore. DF and DA is their rule. If you need closure, there are plenty of ways to do that w/o reinforcing their authority over you.

  Your choice, of course. Good luck.
  
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  I am deeply ashamed that I didn't accept evolution until a few years ago...

  by ILoveTTATT2 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so... i live in mexico and i am helping with an esl class (english as a second language).

  actually, i am helping with two classes.

  i get two days a week in which i just stand there and have a debate with the class, encouraging as many as possible to just talk... in english.. anyways, i like talking about subjects that generate debate.

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  I remember telling people about Noah and the inability of a TV to evolve from nothing. I am really embarrassed when I remember saying those things, even though it was totally not my fault I believed those things. I was prevented from participating in science courses as a teen. I was exposed only to the cult's version of things. I accept no blame for being duped.
  
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  Your feelings for the former travelling overseers

  by Hecce in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  during our wt life we met a good number of friends involved in the circuit and district work.

  i am sure that we share the same experience and that we remember fondly some that we caring, loving and generally interested in the brothers.

  at the same time we might remember others that were arrogant, selfish, abusive and oppressive.

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  I never knew any of them well enough to judge. They were figureheads who dropped in every once in a while and moved on.
  

  With pity, I remember how the bros and sis would flutter around them as though they were celebrities. They would go way overboard to impress them--rehearsing their d2d presentations, making the perfect recipes for their lunches, using their best china, etc. They got so excited about it.

  The bros and sis would hang on every word they said. For weeks afterwards, there would be retellings of what the CO or his wife said at the door or during dinner--every tiniest exchange would be analyzed and repeated.

  Everyone would talk about their special recipes and whether the couple ate much of it. This info would be noted for next time, so their favorite meals could be provided.
  

  I remember one CO said we can count our time while driving to the KH for the service meeting, and while taking multiple breaks in FS, "because Jehovah is kinder than human employers who don't give paid breaks". And then our tallies improved for years, because we were counting more time for FS even though we were sitting at Dunkin Donuts for our 2nd break of the morning (followed by lunch and a few afternoon breaks).

  Wait a minute, if FS is so joyful and important...why do we need so many breaks...
  

  Of course, official doctrine is they have no human leaders and do not follow personalities. Not true IRL.
  
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  Jehovah's Witnesses ARE Christians, why do so many ex JW's deny this?

  by nicolaou in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  jehovah's witnesses accept jesus as christ, the son of god.

  they try, in their own way, to live by his teachings and imitate him.

  they pray, read the bible and meet together regularly for worship.. i won't minimise any of the harm and damage they cause but for the life of me, i can't see how anyone can credibly deny that they are christians.. why do so many former jws have a problem with this?

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  Why do so many former JWs have a problem with this?

  I have no problem with it whatsoever. They are following Jesus.
  

  From a practical standpoint, who cares if anyone calls themselves xian or not? They follow the teachings of the Jesus figure. There are thousands of different belief systems that do the same, in their own ways.
  
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  Utah Jehovah’s Witnesses church forced woman to listen to audio of her rape, lawsuit says

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  http://www.sltrib.com/news/4465861-155/woman-sues-utah-jehovahs-witnesses-church.

  utah jehovah’s witnesses church forced woman to listen to audio of her rape, lawsuit says.

  a woman is suing a jehovah's witnesses church in weber county after, she says, one of its instructors repeatedly raped her when she was a minor and the organization's leadership forced her to listen to an audio recording of one of the assaults.. the woman filed the lawsuit wednesday in 2nd district court, accusing the kingdom hall of jehovah's witnesses church in roy — as well as naming the alleged perpetrator, several church leaders and the watchtower bible and tract society (the religion's headquarters located in new york) — of knowingly allowing the "unfit" instructor to rise to a position of authority without warning members of his "dangerous propensities" and past sexual transgressions.. read more: http://www.sltrib.com/news/4465861-155/woman-sues-utah-jehovahs-witnesses-church.

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  Too bad she is only suing for $300,000. That is not enough of a punishment and surely is not enough compensation.
  

  Maybe the statute of limitations has passed, but wouldn't the elders' actions be criminal too? They forced a child to listen to violent sexual material. Wouldn't that be the same as forcing a child to view porn?

  ETA: Nope. But it has to be against some law, no? Endangering the welfare of a minor?
  
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  FYI, Eloise Dupuis, 27, a JW, died last Wednesday in a Quebec hospital because she refused a blood transfusion

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  i just received the following message from a friend this morning.. barbara.

  eloise dupuis, 27 years old, died at the hotel dieu hospital in lévis, quebec, canada, wednesday, october 12th.

  she died because of her religious principles.

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  Here is a translated version of a news article posted 4 hours ago, more recent than the others, and with different content.

  Eloise Dupuis, 27, decided to give birth to her first child in a birth center. However, due to complications, she was transferred to the Hotel-Dieu de Lévis where we had to make an emergency Caesarean section.

  ..Ms. Zélezen was not with her friend for all medical interventions, but she was present at his bedside when he died.

  "Is she could change her mind? Yes, she believes. Is she just said to his family and does not know? [...] I do not know if she accepted a transfusion and eyes were closed, or if it has a total refusal of blood transfusion. "

  The friend of Eloise Dupuis said in an interview with VAT News she wants the family and relatives of the young woman for what happened. "There is an army behind it. We're going to change things, "she said.

  A coroner investigating the causes and circumstances of the death of the woman. Its work should be finished in a few weeks.
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  FYI, Eloise Dupuis, 27, a JW, died last Wednesday in a Quebec hospital because she refused a blood transfusion

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  i just received the following message from a friend this morning.. barbara.

  eloise dupuis, 27 years old, died at the hotel dieu hospital in lévis, quebec, canada, wednesday, october 12th.

  she died because of her religious principles.

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  Phizzy, The article I posted earlier states there is a criminal investigation of the JWs because of this. The friends of the deceased lady are speaking out in the media. It sounds like something is being done, and something very effective indeed.

  I do not recall ever hearing JWs being criminally investigated for interfering with medical consent, and I'm going to bet the times friends and family instigated that are few and far between.

  This situation is unique and groundbreaking.
  
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  Are You Vegetarian Or Not?

  by ladonna in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  with all the "food" "fluff" larc has started, it has made me wonder how many here are vegetarian or meat eaters.. i like my meat in winter, but only in very small amounts.. summertime i go completely vegetarian and relish fruits and vegetables.. how about you??.

  ana.

  manners require time, and nothing is more vulgar than haste.

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  Antares92, You have revived several very old threads by adding the same exact post to each one.

  I encourage you to stick around and read the other threads here on other topics. You will find them very interesting.