Posts by rebel8

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Why does this forum tolerate Cold steele and his mormonism beliefs ? Who`s next ?

by smiddy in

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i thought this forum was for people who were ex jw`s and pro jw`s and the like to debate ,discuss and reasonably talk about our differences ,and sometimes drift off into politics world events and whatever.. however over a period of time i have come across cold steel `s many posts which are nothing more than promoting his mormon religions point of view./beliefs what has that got to do with jehovahs witnesses and the concerns many have with the jw religion.?.

it seems to me he is using this forum to promote his religion and is getting away with it over a long period of time.. how long before other cult religions see this as a springboard for promoting their own religion such as .

sda`s ,christian scientists , christadelphians ,beroean bible students ,etc.etc.. where will it end if he is able to keep doing this ?.

rebel8

Anyone who comes on an ex-cultists' forum and evangelizes about any religion is either sick or brainwashed.

However, I am going to agree with the 'echo chamber' comment. People do need to recover from culty beliefs and ways of thinking. Unfortunately, there is no safe place on the planet devoid of such things, so recovery has to happen while avoiding, and sometimes confronting those things.

The forum will address it by modeling appropriate responses.

Freedom of speech is a legal right pertaining to certain (not all) speech occurring on publicly-owned property. It does not apply here.

ETA: I failed to read the post about anti-Semitism prior to posting the above.

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Putin presents the Order of Parental Glory to a Russian Jehovah's Witness family

by OrphanCrow in

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http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/54643.

presenting the order of parental gloryon the eve of international children’s day, vladimir putin presented the order of parental glory to parents of large families.

the recipients included families from astrakhan and yaroslavl regions, the republics of karelia, buryatia, north ossetia-alania, perm and primorye territories, and khanty-mansi autonomous area – yugra.the order of parental glory was established by a presidential executive order signed in may 2008 and is awarded to parents (or adoptive parents) raising 7 or more children and ensuring due care for their health, education, and physical, spiritual and moral development.

rebel8

This entire thing is implausible, but it's dubs and Putin so I suppose nothing should be implausible.

A dub family takes an award from Caesar that has a cross on it. They are part of the religion that same Caesar is trying to outlaw. Instead he holds them up as a good example of spirituality.

I give up.

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Has This Newspaper Article Been Reviewed Before?

by berrygerry in

http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83030431/1917-02-04/ed-1/seq-52/.

one poster's comments:.

nyc was advocating for watch tower to be taxed as a business (legitimate reasons to follow).

rebel8

Interesting article!

I believe the fact that wts had shareholders at one point in time does actually make them ineligible for being a nonprofit. I found the part in nonprofit law where this is prohibited. I tried bringing this to the attention of the State of NY/IRS but I got no response.

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Disfellowshipped Brother Gives Public Talk in Kingdom Hall

by The Searcher in

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absolutely beautiful!.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vbmfx4isku.

rebel8

It's so cool that he didn't have to deceive or manipulate anybody to give that talk. He was asked.

I admire his demeanor. I think, inside, I'd be fighting a strong urge to vomit just for being in that building, touching their bible, saying the word jehoopla correctly.

He really didn't go that far off the rails. I am kinda surprised they took him out so soon. If I was in the audience, I'd be thinking he was going to get around to a point that was approved messaging. Seemed that way to me. I wasn't getting the "apostate" tingly sensation at all!

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How can angels be sexually attracted to women?

by Island Man in

the nephilim account in genesis is utterly ridiculous when you consider that angels are sex-less beings and would therefore lack sex-drive and romantic attraction.

think of how difficult it is for humans with a sex drive to be sexually attracted to animals.

now take away that sex drive and it becomes literally impossible.

rebel8

Imagine the fantastical logic dubs use in situations like this....

Satan saw the angels admiring the beauty of the women. He created some testosterone and inserted it into the angels. He then created penises for them.

...or something like that. This is how they rationalize everything.

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Day One Lowlights

by FedUpJW in

too much crap to keep track of, but a few low lights of day one of the regional convention stuck out.

in no particular time sequence here is some of what i managed to hold down.. tight pants yapped on in the opening part about a three part theme to conventions.

part 1 was in 2016, part 2 is this year, and part 3 is in the works for 2018. i guess the big a isn't coming for a couple more years, at least.. then it was really stressed that all good dubs must always be prepared to "witness" by carrying jay double you, dot org calling cards, and of course wear your id card for the convention at all times, and all places.. next was the strong statement that the purpose of the carts/trolleys is not to place literature, it is to direct people of the public to "our" web site!

rebel8

Next was the strong statement that the purpose of the carts/trolleys is NOT to place literature, it is to direct people of the public to "our" web site

Question...as fond as they are of tracking preaching activities, I wonder...how do they track trolley success if not by literatrash placements? Do they track increases in website hits by geography and trolley activity? And then counsel bros who don't increase hits?

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Feeling Alone. Need Emotional Support.

by Doubtfully Yours in

please chime in if you're one of my kindred spirit that happens to literally be trapped in due to strong family/friends ties, or plain fear of being abandoned in old age.. although leaving the org is my ultimate wish and desire, fear of the unknown, fear of how it would change my family dinamics, plain fear alone paralyzes me.

how do you cope in this difficult situation?

dy.

rebel8

strong family/friends ties

These can be replaced with new ones.

plain fear of being abandoned in old age

How would this be different if you left dubs? There are many threads on this forum of old, faithful jws being abandoned in nursing homes. Or imagine them making your medical or financial decisions for you when you're no longer able to make them for yourself. That, to me, is terrifying.

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Talk to my Dad about beards.

by LovingLifeNow in

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so i spoke to my elder dad the other day, and he asked if i still am sporting a beard.

i said yes, then i said, "i thought the society said its ok to have a neat trimmed beard now?

" he said "no, no, no..if you read the article , it says in countries where it is accepted" so my response was "ummm, its pretty accepted here in america"..which he says "it reflects your spirituality" "if another wittness saw you, they would know you are weak"...i was like, "ok, i don't get it, and i follow christ/god, not men..." then he said in his hall" if a brother came in with a beard , he would not have privelages" then i just gave up, and tried to change the subject..ugggggggggg if these people would just listen to themselves , they would see the sillyness of there teachings...

rebel8

Which he says "It reflects your spirituality" "If another wittness saw you, they would know you are weak"

"Beards are ok in countries where it is customary."=wts doublespeak

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If a person is transgender and gets saved what will they go to heaven as?

by Nikorasu95 in

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i know this is a stupid question because the answer is obvious, but if a person was born a male and gets transgender surgery to turn into female will that person go to heaven as a male or female if they died saved?

i think they will go to heaven with the gender they were born with.

rebel8

There is a question that must be settled before the transgender question can be answered:

What evidence is there proving a heavenly afterlife exists?

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How ballroom dancing helped our exit

by Finally Left in

just wanted to say hello and thank you for all of your comments.

when i finally figured out this was not the truth it was nice to know i wasn't the only one - it was a surprise to learn how many there are.

february was my last month of service after 43 active years.

rebel8

Welcome!

You can see why the borganization emphasizes love bombing and focus on 'discouraged ones'--the lack of social support expedites the exit.

They criticize those who leave because of alleged 'personality conflicts', which are really examples of jws being cold and unloving. Think about it though.

The reason many of these people joined in the first place is not because they think, "Ooooh! I've been dying to join a laughed-at cult so I can't celebrate holidays or receive blood transfusions!" No, they joined in spite of those rules because the love bombing was so effective. Take away the love and you are left with the doctrines.