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  Talking to support and contacts at WT HQ

  by Juan Viejo2 in

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  i have a story to share about my calls to wt ny hq this past week.

  i was quite surprised by the level of disinterest and lack of concern from the two contacts that i spoke to.

  rather than jumping right in and sharing my experience - and perhaps "poisoning the well," i'd like to read experiences of others on this forum who had the urge or need to call the wt contact number.. btw - mine was not an apostate rant or overly critical of the wt and was presented in a friendly and helpful way.

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  rebel8

  It's against the law (in NY) to record people without their permission.

  NY has a one-party consent law. Only 1 of the parties to a conversation must consent to it being recorded. So go and record all you want!
  
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  I quit the Theocratic Ministry School

  by My Name is of No Consequence in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  after almost 24 years in the school and doing it since i was nine years old, i officially resigned.

  it has become increasingly difficult to prepare talks, especially with the new format for brothers.

  i did not mind doing them; i actually put the time and effort into getting them out.

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  I am not understanding this thread. It sounds like you're saying you quit because you didn't like the new format of the talks, and that was your main reason for quitting. Is that correct?

  I was just thinking about you being counseled for introducing the scripture, and then my mind wandered to the "crit" after the talks. I never minded it at the time, but when you think about it, it's really weird to give a liturgy and then be critiqued in front of the entire flock. Kind of like a reality competition show for cultists.
  
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  People calling me... >.<

  by Garrett in

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  2. friends

  oh my god!.

  it is currently almost midnight where i live and i have now been spammed 3 times in a row by an unknown number.

  first my home phone and then my cell phone.

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  Oh I wasn't offended or anything! Just a follow up post on an interesting topic.
  
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  People calling me... >.<

  by Garrett in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  oh my god!.

  it is currently almost midnight where i live and i have now been spammed 3 times in a row by an unknown number.

  first my home phone and then my cell phone.

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  Those were serious suggestions. You may find it effective to go on the offensive, using their own wackadoodle beliefs as your weapon against them.
  
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  would it have been different if we knew why?

  by sowhatnow in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i always took issue with the idea of no one knowing why a person got df.. i know im not alone.. i complained to my mother about this when i was younger, explaining that how do we know what it is that gets a person df if no one knows what they did?

  my moms answer was , .

  'if people knew a persons personal faults and what they did , others would not be so forgiving when they were reinstated, because we'd always view them with that view, so in other words, if when so n so, committed fornication, and the whole cong would know it, if they announced from the platform then his/her reputation would be permanently stained' .

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  OP is either from a different region than I was from, or a totally different generation.

  a) They used to read a scripture describing the person's sin. They had some legal risk for this so they stopped. It was not better for anyone--the df person (probably often falsely convicted) got their reputation destroyed, and the congregation used it to do further damage to the reputation.

  b) We always knew anyways because the elders' wives always told.

  How 'bout this ? The whole IDEA of disfellowshipping is wrong in the first place.

  ^Yep.

  Formally announcing it, saying, "Sister Slut fornicated with Brother Jones" would just have made it all worse. Why...
  
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  Make A Wish Trip to JW.ORG

  by konceptual99 in

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  a sick little girl goes to ny to meet caleb and sophia for her make a wish trip.. http://www.kmph.com/category/170789/video-landing-page?clipid=11142038&autostart=true.

  i don't want to make too much comment as there is an innocent and poorly young girl at the heart of this but i do have to wonder what the purpose of the parents courting the media's attention over this really was..

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  When she started singing, the vomit welled up in my throat. Poor deluded little girl. As if she doesn't have enough on her plate without being in a mind control cult.

  Interesting intro re how great it is that they live in CA where there are such great hospitals and doctors to do the surgery. Maybe I missed a bloodless surgery plug because I turned it off too soon.

  I wonder how many jws contribute to Make-A-Wish? Do they just take from it and not give?
  
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  What is dating as a JW like

  by UFCFan in

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  2. friends

  first off i want to say that i'm a teenager which makes my situation interesting.

  i don't want to give too many details in case someone i know reads this but i'm between 14 and 18, homeschooled, and i've been awake for around one or one and a half years.

  i already have a plan to attend usc or wisconsin university if i'm smart enough to get in and then move to san jose and try and get a job working for a hs football team or with a soccer team, since i want to coach sports or be an agent.. now, this all sounds great in theory but there's one thing i've been thinking about that makes me doubt my plan.

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  Risk takers usually do take the path that looks the most exciting and with the best possible outcome for them. You seem to be saying you know dating her isn't either--you want to take a different route in life.

  I have little idea what it's like now to date as a dub, but you are saying it's still that dating is supposed to be leading to marriage and that's it. Also chaperones. Sounds the same.

  Being "awake" and trying to pretend you aren't in order to date someone will just end up with both of you hurting deeply. You are not compatible, and you won't be unless you change back to believing 100% what's taught to you at the hall and in the literature and all that entails. This means being totally stoked about a new bible being released, jw dot org videos about literature carts and cartoon boys going to Bethel, spending your summers pioneering and at assemblies, being a jw husband/spiritual head, "gatherings" being your usual Friday night, going to weddings and the Memorial being your only "holiday", Awakes being your sole intellectual stimulation, and washing windows for a living.

  So my advice is, obviously, don't do it. There are lots of fish in the sea.

  I've been scarred for life and was nearly killed several times because of that religion. Imagine that being how you spend your one life, having kids and making them be involved too.
  
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  People calling me... >.<

  by Garrett in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  oh my god!.

  it is currently almost midnight where i live and i have now been spammed 3 times in a row by an unknown number.

  first my home phone and then my cell phone.

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  rebel8

  Answer it.

  "Thank you for calling the Church of Satan. Please press 666 to talk to a customer service representative. Your call will automatically be traced and recorded if you do not press 666 within the next 2 seconds." <heavy breathing and maniacal laughter, with haunted house noises in the background>

  Or, "Watchtower Bible and Tract Society Elders' Hotline." <sound of Kingdumb Smelodies in the background> "Para continuar en Espanol, oprima uno. Press 2 if you are an reporting an instance of oral sex, press 3 for consorting with apostates, press 4 for blood transfusions, press 5 for YMCA membership, press 6 for tight pants, press 7 for Sparlock, press 8 for deaf masturbation, press 9 for UN involvement."
  
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  Funny story about dumb JW rules

  by cookiemaster in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  some years ago (the year when i got baptized), i was at a district convention (or whatever they call them these days) with my best friend.

  he had a part in one of those acting parts at the convention (i have no idea the term jw's use for them in english).

  anyway, we were both seeing through the bullshit of the borg but weren't aware at the time of this forum or other "apostate" groups, nor of the full extent of the perversity of this religion.

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  rebel8

  I know they're morons about everything, but how could they possibly write such an idiotic thing?

  I've no doubt that they could...but they didn't.

  It's an adaptation of "Are cats for Christians," which is available on numerous ex-jw websites. If you Google the title, you'll find it.
  
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  Funny story about dumb JW rules

  by cookiemaster in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  some years ago (the year when i got baptized), i was at a district convention (or whatever they call them these days) with my best friend.

  he had a part in one of those acting parts at the convention (i have no idea the term jw's use for them in english).

  anyway, we were both seeing through the bullshit of the borg but weren't aware at the time of this forum or other "apostate" groups, nor of the full extent of the perversity of this religion.

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  rebel8

  the shirt had something like 4 medium size black letter on them.

  Oh, you didn't know that wasn't allowed?

  Questions from Readers 2/30/1943: "Is it appropriate for a Christian to own medium-sized things in light of their Satanic connotations?"

  Many conscientious ones among Jehovah's people today have wondered if Christians should own medium-sized things in view of their connotations. What may be acceptable to one person may,although unintentionally, stumble another. This can become a life-or-death issue since to stumble a brother that Christ died for is tantamount to"putting a millstone around the neck and being thrown into the sea."Clearly our eternal salvation is involved.

  First let us consider what most scholars agree is the original Greek for the word "medium",mediocrus, meaning literally "lukewarm or weak in faith, fence-sitting, possessed by demons and worthy of death; a hater of Jehovah and kittens." A faithful servant of Jehovah would quickly notice that the nature of a medium-sized thing is worldly. The bible makes clear reference to this condition when describing parts of Satan's organizations past and present. Is it by accident that the Bible describes servants whose hearts are “lukewarm” being fated to have Jehovah spit them out of His mouth? Hardly!

  There are numerous reasons why a loyal dedicated servant of God should use his Bible-trained conscience to arrive at a proper understanding of why medium-sized things are not for Christians.

  The scriptures clearly indicate that neither Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, faithful Job, the Apostles or Jesus himself owned a medium-sized thing. They are described as men of large faith. Should we simply assume that this is a mere coincidence? Surely not! This was most likely because they didn't want to be like the Pagan contemporaries of their day who showed no regard for how God feels about owning a medium-sized thing. In harmony with the pattern set by the faithful prophets and peoples of old, surely it would not be fitting for a Christian today to own a medium-sized thing.

  As loyal followers of Jehovah's thinking on this matter, we can rejoice in the fact that in the new system, only the whole-hearted worshipers will still be alive. Together, we will do the righteous work of digging and filling mass graves with those who saw no problem with wearing medium-sized t-shirts.