Posts by rebel8

but i can’t get reinstated and have used some of the advice already given.. i was df’d many months ago and go to all the meetings and do all the preparation for the meetings, but the jc committee keep refusing me.

tomorrow at the clam meeting i am puting yet another letter in and will be called for another dreadful jc meeting.. 1. what can i say to the elders to show that i am truly repentant?.

rebel8

Betty Boop, level with us. You are not/were not a jw, right? Exhibit A:

he created a burning hell that bad people go to for ever and ever and suffer in eternity

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JW hospitality

by Chook in

about 5 years ago when i was in, my son who at the time was 18 needed somewhere to sleep for a couple of nights due to work commitments ,in a city 2 hours from home.

my "best man" who is an elder that lives in this city , was asked could my son stay a couple of nights .

the response was he doesn't go to meetings anymore ,he can't stay here , i ask can he sleep on garage floor instead , still can't stay .

rebel8

They are just mimicking Jesus.

John 5:29, 38, 42

Matthew 12:30

Luke 12:47-48

John 3:36

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Download Raymond Franz PDF Books Crisis of Conscience and In Search of Christian Freedom

by Tenacious in

for those who've never read these incredible books by our friend ray franz.. here are links for both.

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happy reading!.

rebel8

It isn't a dichotomy of, "either this book is available OR people won't leave the cult".

There are many, many works that help people leave the cult, some free and some not.

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"back in the day people didn't know not to abuse kids"- a jw explanation for their abuse scandal

by purrpurr in

a few weeks back i showed the guardian article about the borg refusing to cooperate with the charity commission into child abuse to a fellow jw.

their response was quite amazing.

they told me that in the 50s-80s people didn't know about child abuse, didn't know it was wrong and no one really believed children when they claimed they had been abused - even worldly people.. they said that alot of the time children lie about being abused or therapists plant false memories in their heads and that apostates lie about being abused to undermine our faith.. about the borg not cooperating with the commission they said that it was probably because they wanted to protect the identities of jw's who had been abused.

rebel8

I'm going to analyze each aspect of this line of reasoning:

In the 50s-80s people didn't know about child abuse Although we knew and constantly preached about every other real and imagined danger to children, including dating, masturbation, pep rallies and Pac Man, and our Bible mentions rape lots of times, we had no idea it actually exists--it did happen but we weren't aware of it
didn't know it was wrong Although our litteratrash constantly discusses how rape and sex with someone you're not married to is a terrible sin, we had no idea it was actually wrong.--it did happen but we didn't know it was wrong
no one really believed children when they claimed they had been abused - even worldly people even though our Bible says to let the children openly express themselves--it did happen but we didn't believe the victims, which is worldly people's fault, not ours
They said that alot of the time children lie about being abused or therapists plant false memories in their heads even though we have no way to actually quantify how often this happened to jw children, we will hang our hat on this--it didn't really happen
apostates lie about being abused to undermine our faith--it didn't really happen

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NEWS 5 INVESTIGATES: Sex offender going door-to-door

by OrphanCrow in

http://www.koaa.com/story/32799137/news-5-investigates-sex-offender-going-door-to-door.

by carlos vergara, investigative reporter.

colorado springs -66 year old waymon ivery is re-living a nightmare that happened more than two decades ago.

rebel8

Here is some info I found.

According to http://www.homefacts.com/offender-detail/COX00245011020160419/Waymon-Chandler-Ivery.html#.V6pLtHlrUW4.facebook , his date of birth is 1/5/1950, his offense date is 12/21/1992, 1st Deg Sexual Assault On A Child, Milwaukee County, Wi # 92cf923464, and he is a registered sex offender.

I don't find him in the Wisconsin sex offender registry. http://offender.doc.state.wi.us/lop/searchbasic.do

I do find him in the Colorado registry. https://www.colorado.gov/apps/cdps/sor/search/search-summary.jsf

This has slightly different info than the homefacts.com site:
OUTOFSTATE 1ST DEG SEXUAL ASSAULT ON A CHILD, Milwaukee County, WI # 92CF923464 conviction date: 12-21-1992 Felony Conviction

So...he is guilty of 1st degree sexual assault on a child in Wisconsin, which means there was either bodily harm or sexual intercourse with this particular child.

Definition of 1st degree sexual assault on a child in Wisconsin: https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/statutes/statutes/948/02

This is not some creep who likes mature teenagers or went too far with someone whose age was not known to him. There is no way to minimize this crime. He did this with a relative who was 9 years old, and his symbolic, superficial statements to the reporter do not indicate he is reformed.

Also, odds are, this is not his first sexual assault of a child, or possibly his last either. This just happens to be the only one where he got caught and convicted.

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NEWS 5 INVESTIGATES: Sex offender going door-to-door

by OrphanCrow in

http://www.koaa.com/story/32799137/news-5-investigates-sex-offender-going-door-to-door.

by carlos vergara, investigative reporter.

colorado springs -66 year old waymon ivery is re-living a nightmare that happened more than two decades ago.

rebel8

Here is some info I found. Not too exciting, but you never know what will come of this, so it's good to keep tabs on it now.

According to http://www.homefacts.com/offender-detail/COX00245011020160419/Waymon-Chandler-Ivery.html#.V6pLtHlrUW4.facebook his date of birth is 1/5/1950, his offense date is 12/21/1992, 1st Deg Sexual Assault On A Child, Milwaukee County, Wi # 92cf923464, and he is a registered sex offender.

I don't find him in the Wisconsin sex offender registry. http://offender.doc.state.wi.us/lop/searchbasic.do

I do find him in the Colorado registry. https://www.colorado.gov/apps/cdps/sor/search/search-summary.jsf This has slightly different info than the homefacts.com site:
OUTOFSTATE 1ST DEG SEXUAL ASSAULT ON A CHILD, Milwaukee County, WI # 92CF923464 conviction date: 12-21-1992 Felony Conviction

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NEWS 5 INVESTIGATES: Sex offender going door-to-door

by OrphanCrow in

http://www.koaa.com/story/32799137/news-5-investigates-sex-offender-going-door-to-door.

by carlos vergara, investigative reporter.

colorado springs -66 year old waymon ivery is re-living a nightmare that happened more than two decades ago.

rebel8

Taking ownership? He denied it on camera.

He didn't admit it until there was a hubbub on youtube and an investigative reporter confronted him. He admitted it when he was backed into a corner, and then he blamed it on the military.

I see no ownership being taken.

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NEWS 5 INVESTIGATES: Sex offender going door-to-door

by OrphanCrow in

http://www.koaa.com/story/32799137/news-5-investigates-sex-offender-going-door-to-door.

by carlos vergara, investigative reporter.

colorado springs -66 year old waymon ivery is re-living a nightmare that happened more than two decades ago.

rebel8

I did understand that, data-dog. But some people actually believe pedos can be reformed, just like any other criminal, which is why I commented.

I crunched some numbers from his story to see if it adds up, you know, because sociopaths tend to be lying liars who lie a lot.

1950-born

Late 1950s-Army Special Forces deployed to Vietnam (still deployed in combat today—although I am not sure “special forces” means just one branch of the military)

November 1, 1955 – April 30, 1975: Vietnam War. Ivery claims to have served. He was ages 5-25 years old.

August 2, 1990 – February 28, 1991: Desert Storm. Ivery claims to have served. He was ages 40-41 years old. Can anyone confirm someone of this age was deployed in combat in Desert Storm?

1992-He is 42 and rapes his 9-year-old stepdaughter (who would be 33 years old now).

??-in jail

??-becomes a jw

August 2016-He is 66 and is confronted while in the door-to-door work and denies being a pedo, on camera

August 2016-he agrees to an interview with an investigative reporter from KOAA Colorado, and tells the reporter “those urges were brought on by post traumatic stress disorder after serving tours in Vietnam and Desert Storm while serving in the Special Forces”.