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  Was Jesus Created?

  by 9thWonder in

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  was jesus created?

  this question came out of a discussion i was having with a preacher of a no-denominational church.

  he was trying to convince me of the truth of the trinity doctrine.

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  Kenneson,
  
  Well, it's all different when your a unitarian like me.
  
  Yeah! They are both important. I always pray through Jesus name (I apologize if I sound like a JW -- but that is something that I agree with them on!)
  
  In worship, in prayer, we (well, I really) acknowledge both of them. But Jesus also said that the father is greater than I, he had a go at someone for saying (paraphrase) "Why are you calling me good, only Jehovah is."
  
  Sorry, if I repeat myself. Just trying to reply everyone, you know. I just wish there were more unitarians like me. People usually send me a message at times like this... I wish someone would now.
  
  (Probably won't. :( )
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  Was Jesus Created?

  by 9thWonder in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  was jesus created?

  this question came out of a discussion i was having with a preacher of a no-denominational church.

  he was trying to convince me of the truth of the trinity doctrine.

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  Littletoe said:
  
  Inquirer:
  
  Let me be very clear about this; I believe you to be wrong!
  
  The Son is indeed a son, not a sibling, and I don't see where anyone said otherwise. Jesus did indeed say that the Father was greater than him, but none of this pertains to being "created". Did you physically "create" your child? Do the languages used even allow for this kind of translation?
  
  Please elaborate on how you make the jump to the conclusion of him being created, from the available evidence.
  
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  Inquirer -- I think you will get disappointed with my answer. But since you asked. I always try to reply everybody. I try to reply you as well, because I have noticed that we have debated before in a respectful way. :)
  
  Ok, I am going to say something "stupid." I know you will say "errrrr, that guy from Australia is a jerk," but I'll say it anyway.
  
  Because Jesus is called the Son of God, this applies inferiority to the Father. It implies that he came along at a later date. In Matthew 28 it says it in this order "the father, the son and the holy spirit." The father is the most important, the son is second important, and the holy spirit is "God's electricity" if you like, which is just additional to his glory.
  
  Notice how the then apostle Judas... is mentioned last? He is the least important! I am not saying though that the order of the disciples is in order from the one Jesus liked the most to the least (in a respectful way of course!) But it seems to me that Judas was mentioned last because of his betrayal.
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  Was Jesus Created?

  by 9thWonder in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  was jesus created?

  this question came out of a discussion i was having with a preacher of a no-denominational church.

  he was trying to convince me of the truth of the trinity doctrine.

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  inquirer

  Just remember Jesus means "Jehovah is salvation." ...See the importance is on Jehovah, not Jesus.
  
  "Let your name be sanctified," who was Jesus praying to in the Lord's prayer?
  
  Wasn't Jesus owing his life to Jehovah (God the Father) because he is the one that gives life? Jehovah owns Jesus.
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  Was Jesus Created?

  by 9thWonder in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  was jesus created?

  this question came out of a discussion i was having with a preacher of a no-denominational church.

  he was trying to convince me of the truth of the trinity doctrine.

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  inquirer

  Jesus was CREATED. Why did Jesus say "the father is greater than I?"
  
  Who raise him from the dead after 3 days?
  
  Why isn't Jesus talked about in the Hebrew Scriptures? Jesus is only revealed without a "disguise" so to speak in the Greek Scriptures.
  
  
  Did your mum give birth to you and then become your sister? I think not!
  
  I think what the problem is is that, Jesus is a VERY IMPORTANT character in the Bible, but it's just people's positioning... they elevate him too high! He should be put down a level (only one!) and be made a son of God.
  
  This is the Scripture that JW's use to prove Jesus being created!
  
  Proverbs 8:22 “Jehovah himself produced me as the beginning of his way, the earliest of his achievements of long ago. 23 From time indefinite I was installed, from the start, from times earlier than the earth. 24 When there were no watery deeps I was brought forth as with labor pains, when there were no springs heavily charged with water. 25 Before the mountains themselves had been settled down, ahead of the hills, I was brought forth as with labor pains, 26 when as yet he had not made the earth and the open spaces and the first part of the dust masses of the productive land. 27 When he prepared the heavens I was there; when he decreed a circle upon the face of the watery deep, 28 when he made firm the cloud masses above, when he caused the fountains of the watery deep to be strong, 29 when he set for the sea his decree that the waters themselves should not pass beyond his order, when he decreed the foundations of the earth, 30 then I came to be beside him as a master worker, and I came to be the one he was specially fond of day by day, I being glad before him all the time, 31 being glad at the productive land of his earth, and the things I was fond of were with the sons of men.
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  PROTEST RALLY AT WTS HQ, BROOKLYN, NY WITH DINNER AFTERWARDS

  by SHUNNED FATHER in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i am organizing a major protest rally at the watchtower society hq in brooklyn , ny, thursday, october 13 from 12:00 noon until 3:00pm with dinner and fellowship afterwards.

  i am planning chartered buses from major centres in the eastern canada and usa.

  i hope that this will be an historic event and make the international news.

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  Maybe I am silly, but it seems a long time to wait for it! Why are you waiting 4 months for it? Does it take that long to organize a rally?
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  Hey JCanon aren't you a JW? Then why look at this website!

  by inquirer in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if you love jehovah and his organization so much, why look at sites like this!

  they don't like you people using the internet and particularly sites like this!

  this web site is so negative against jw's it's not funny!

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  But this guy, probably knows about the UN thing then dismisses it. And also about the 607 BCE thing and dismisses it.
  
  So why post with people you don't agree with?
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  Hey JCanon aren't you a JW? Then why look at this website!

  by inquirer in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if you love jehovah and his organization so much, why look at sites like this!

  they don't like you people using the internet and particularly sites like this!

  this web site is so negative against jw's it's not funny!

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  If you love Jehovah and his organization so much, why look at sites like this!
  
  They don't like YOU people using the Internet and particularly sites like this! This web site is so negative against JW's it's not funny!
  
  Aren't you going against Watchtower teachings?
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  Do you think Jehovah's Witness are apart of Babylon The Great?

  by inquirer in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  or do you think that all religions are?

  since they are all hypocrites or have teachings that don't match the bible or any other religious book?

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  Or do you think that all religions are? Since they are all hypocrites or have teachings that don't match the Bible or any other religious book?
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  JW brother stopped by to awfulize about the bombing in London

  by homesteader in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my brother who is a jw (who i helped into the religion when i was a dub) came to my house this morning this morning while we were having breakfast.

  the first thing out of his mouth was the bombing in london and how this is the worst bombing since ww11.

  then he made the comment "i wonder what this is going to lead to.

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  It sounds too similar to "awful eyes." :D
  
  You really have to be careful on syllable stress!
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  JW brother stopped by to awfulize about the bombing in London

  by homesteader in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my brother who is a jw (who i helped into the religion when i was a dub) came to my house this morning this morning while we were having breakfast.

  the first thing out of his mouth was the bombing in london and how this is the worst bombing since ww11.

  then he made the comment "i wonder what this is going to lead to.

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  I can't say I am in love with the word "awfulize."
  
  WE got so many words in English that describe terrible events, why do we need another one?
  
  It sounds pretty unoriginal word to me. The only thing different about it is that it's got -ize at the end.