JW's are obsessed with the truth about getting things 110% right. And it's important to know the truth about "the truth." Because I think the REAL TRUTH is important. If you are a Christian, it's very important to follow the Bible AS ACCURATELY AS POSSIBLE! We should be dragging people away from organized Christianity, because they don't follow the Bible probably -- none of them do! How many religious brands have "church houses" like in the first century...? They all have "church buildings." There's a book on this from a guy from Macquarie university in Sydney who wrote a book about this subject http://www.commentarypress.com I should get this book one day!
I use to for so long believed the JW's were so right. It's amazing what a little research can do for you. And thanks to people on this site that gave me the wake up call.
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Is being a Witness really so bad? Is religion bad in general?
by jwfacts ini have no intention of ever being a witness again, but when i look at my family i wonder if they are better living in the ignorance they call spiritual paradise.
many people seem to have a need for religion.
is it better if they remain as they are?
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Is being a Witness really so bad? Is religion bad in general?
by jwfacts ini have no intention of ever being a witness again, but when i look at my family i wonder if they are better living in the ignorance they call spiritual paradise.
many people seem to have a need for religion.
is it better if they remain as they are?
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Religion in general is a bad thing. All religions have got doctrinal problems, problems with paedophiles and are caught up with silly traditions that mean nothing.
But your family (just like everyone else) should 1 John 4:1 Beloved ones, do not believe every inspired expression, but test the inspired expressions to see whether they originate with God, because many false prophets have gone forth into the world.
One of the best Scriptures in the Bible! That Scripture says it all!
I am sorry, but my opinion has been spoilt because I use to be a JW. I hope I don't influence anyone in a bad way. I always try to give my opinions on this message board and help people as much as possible. -
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Anyone been baptised in another religon since leaving the dubs?
by misspeaches ini was just wondering if any of you have been baptised into another religon since leaving the jw's.. if you don't mind sharing i would love to know if it was a monumental decision for you to make?.
what was your status when you did it?
disphellowshipped?
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I have not been baptised. After the JW's I never want to join another religious organization ever again!
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Popes Link To JW's
by unique1 inthought you all would enjoy this.
sorry it is so hard to read.
that is how i received it.
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Can't see it. Waiting for you to post it.
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Who's the Pope of the Jehovah's Witnesses now?
by inquirer ini have seen on the 2nd page of the watchtower m. h. larson.... what's his first name?
is he the "pope?
i have forgotten a lot of things about jw structure.
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PopeOfEruke
I'm the Pope - look at my hat!
I heard from a relative still in that it is a man named Don Adams, but they added that he does not hold the same power as the Knorrs, Rutherfords, etc and it is more of a business title. I also heard he was not one who considered himseld annoited.
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Cross or a Stake - which was it?
by KAYTEE inwe were always lead to believe, when we belonged to the jws, that jesus died on a "stake".
was this really true or did he die on a cross as all other religions appear to believe.
if it was a cross, what on earth did the jws get out of saying otherwise.
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@Scholar,
Admittingly at the back of my mind, I have thought for a long time (even though I believe in the stake theory) that in some ways it doesn't matter if the cross is pagan origin or not, the fact is he died on a torture implement is the most important thing. I don't think the Romans could give two houts what he died on and wouldn't care about it being "unclean" origin. These people mocked Jesus, remember! What we need is solid proof from historians who lived around the perid like what leolaia was trying to do. But recently I've been reading the "Non-Christian Cross" and I am thinking about both theories.
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Do you still use Jehovah's name in prayer assuming you still pray?
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if you do pray, will you use the name that's above all other names....says the watchtower.. if not, what name do you use?.
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@Jaffacake
Do you really seek truth, or something to support the beliefs you already have?
I try and base everything on the Bible -- what do you base things on?
The actual fact REALLY IS is that divine name was only stopped from being used from the Septuagint from about 150 AD! No substitutes before hand!
I find it insulting that you think I am somehow using spurious sources and this is unreliable! Thanks for insulting me. YOU ARE PRETTY MUCH CALLING ME A LIAR!!!! If you don't like what I have to say, you don't have to discuss things on this thread anymore!
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Do you still use Jehovah's name in prayer assuming you still pray?
by JH in.
if you do pray, will you use the name that's above all other names....says the watchtower.. if not, what name do you use?.
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@jaffacake
Why did the Divine Name never exist in the Christian Greek Scriptures (New Testament) until 1385CE?
Who was it that inserted the Divine Name in 1385, 1599, and subsequently, and with what motives?
These are some of the questions I am addressing in my research. My main tools are Watchtower Bibles.
Did you know the reference material within the Watchtower's own current Bible versions provide the most convincing evidence of all?
In my view, this is one of the greatest Watchtower scandals of all, and one of those easiest to prove with their own current publications.
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Inq - I could give you examples of writings that use "Halleuljah" or "IAO" LONG BEFORE 1385 CE!
George Howard believes that these "J references" (as what the Watchtower calls them) is a recession of the original Hebrew goespel of Matthew! He has written a book about it that is out of print from amazon, but you can get it here: http://www.centuryone.com/4470-0.html I haven't read the book from him, but I have read many quotes from him. He does admit there is no way of proving it, but it does sound feisable. So, maybe they had a good reason for it with these Hebrew manuscripts from 1385 -- There Hebrews! They know more about the divine name than anyone!
There's been a massive decline of the divine name since 300 BC, I am not surprised you think it's a scandel! Too many people think a long those lines.
Answer me this: Why is the name "Yahweh" referred to so much in the Catholic New American Bible so much in the 'New Testament?" I thought it was Jesus in the NT -- that is the most popular/usual understanding!
Examples: John 15:15
6 Slaves . . . friends: in the Old Testament, Moses (Deut 34:5), Joshua (Joshua 24:29), and David (Psalm 89:21) were called "servants" or "slaves of Yahweh"; only Abraham (Isaiah 41:8; 2 Chron 20:7; cf James 2:23) was called a "friend of God."
Romans 1:18
12 The wrath 13 of God 14 is indeed being revealed from heaven against every impiety and wickedness of those who suppress the truth by their wickedness.
14 [18] The wrath of God: God's reaction to human sinfulness, an Old Testament phrase that expresses the irreconcilable opposition between God and evil (see Isaiah 9:11, 16, 18, 20; 10:4; 30:27). It is not contrary to God's universal love for his creatures, but condemns Israel's turning aside from the covenant obligations. Hosea depicts Yahweh as suffering intensely at the thought of having to punish Israel (Hosea 11:8-9). God's wrath was to be poured forth especially on the "Day of Yahweh" and thus took on an eschatological connotation (see Zephaniah 1:15).
Starting from Revelation 10:1 and along side the footnote, it appears to recognize more than the other 2 references, that this God of the Old Testament is continuing to talk to us in the NT! -- the same God.
REvelation 10:1
1 2 Then I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven wrapped in a cloud, with a halo around his head; his face was like the sun and his feet were like pillars of fire.
2 [1] The seven thunders: God's voice announcing judgment and doom; cf Psalm 29:3-9, where thunder, as the voice of Yahweh, is praised seven times.
Why does the Catholic Bible not stop talking about Yahweh when it's the NT! Isn't it Jesus' part of the Bible?
To quote Gerard Gertoux's book in the Book of the resurrection of Bartholemew, they apply the divine name to Jesus (this book is dated between the 5th and 6th century.) I know it's Jesus, but why did they use a "Hebrew Scripture" concept in the "Greek Scriptures?" And why does Severi of Antioch (465 - 538 AD) comment on John 8:58 and say IOA was God's name in Hebrew? In Greek, they don't have "H", that's why it only contained 3 letters.
Unfortunately Josephus didn't tell us the divine name, but gave us a clue with "the four vowels," YHWH. In his works "Wars of the Jews" (V.5.vii), states that on a golden crown of the priests was engraved the sacred name [of God], consisting of four vowels. When we look to English, W and Y are semi-vowels. The V in the Tetragrammaton is the transliteration of W.
Also, in the first few centuries the term "hallelujah" is used like in Revelation, in these Apocryphal books: The Gospel of Nicodemus (Acts of Pilate), Pslams 151...
Also, Jesus, Joel and John are found in the NT. They all have meanings relating to the divine name. Jesus means "Jehovah is salvation," John (Yochanan in Hebrew) means "Jehovah has been gracious" and get this: Joel means "Jehovah is God!" Joel's name says it all!
And why do you think Jesus when being arrested by Pontius Pilate used substitutes for the divine name? Because the Pharisees considered speaking the divine name a capital offense! He uses the terms "Power, "Above" and "God!" In Matthew 26:64, John 19:11 and Mark 15:34 respectively!
And also, why did Steven get stoned to death? Because he used the divine name! That was the real reason!
Also, as I said to you in a private message to you Jaffacake, The Jewish Christians would have remembered what God had done for them in the Hebrew Scriptures, the wars he fought for them, the wisdom he gave Solomon, saving them from the Egyptians, the dividing of the red sea... and now he gives us this guy called Jesus Christ he performed miracles as well! And when Mark quotes Psalms 110:1 By the holy spirit David himself said, ‘Jehovah said to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand until I put your enemies beneath your feet.”’ This is proof of the divine name in the Greek Scriptures! But other Bible versions put this confusing "the Lord said to my Lord..." situation...
Exodus 3:14 At this God said to Moses: “I SHALL PROVE TO BE WHAT I SHALL PROVE TO BE.” And he added: “This is what you are to say to the sons of Israel, ‘I SHALL PROVE TO BE has sent me to YOU.’” 15 Then God said once more to Moses:
“This is what you are to say to the sons of Israel, ‘Jehovah the God of YOUR forefathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob, has sent me to YOU.’ This is my name to time indefinite, and this is the memorial of me to generation after generation.
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Cross or a Stake - which was it?
by KAYTEE inwe were always lead to believe, when we belonged to the jws, that jesus died on a "stake".
was this really true or did he die on a cross as all other religions appear to believe.
if it was a cross, what on earth did the jws get out of saying otherwise.
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I AM TERRIBLY SORRY FOR POSTING SO MUCH! But, Leolaia, what would you think of the guy who wrote that book: The UnChristian Cross... You can get it on amazon. Did he just was ALLLL that time writing that book? How could he get it so wrong! I might actually get it and see what he says. See if he quotes those ancient people like Senecca like you did!
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Cross or a Stake - which was it?
by KAYTEE inwe were always lead to believe, when we belonged to the jws, that jesus died on a "stake".
was this really true or did he die on a cross as all other religions appear to believe.
if it was a cross, what on earth did the jws get out of saying otherwise.
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Another problem I have is that people on this message board go out of their way to prove the JW's wrong. It's like it's almost a sport at times! And I think that is not very scholary.
Sometimes I feel people say things because they hate the JW's! Sure hate them if you must but be logical about these thigns and it up with evidence like with 607 BC. It was a good point that Carl brought up.
I know Leolaia "backed it up with evidence" but I get tried of this "if the JW's do it" it must be wrong. I am sure there are other organizations that are just as destructive as JW's... I won't mention them here...