JustTickledPink, I know what you mean, alright? :( (I am just sad because it's a difficult situation.)
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Refusing magazines/books from JW relatives
by JustTickledPink inrecently my mother dropped in on us and in front of other people, very nicely handed me some trinkets aka dust collectors for my house and some wts magazines.
the way she handed everything to me at once i just held out my hands and took it all.. i threw the magazines away immediately, i consider them trash and don't even want them around... but then decided exactly what i was going to do.
i am going to buy a yard sale cross or virgin mary statue and give it to my mom.. i specifically told her i don't want any publications and she slipped them in anyways.... so, on that note, she hates any religious icons, i am going to give her something that she doesn't want.
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Refusing magazines/books from JW relatives
by JustTickledPink inrecently my mother dropped in on us and in front of other people, very nicely handed me some trinkets aka dust collectors for my house and some wts magazines.
the way she handed everything to me at once i just held out my hands and took it all.. i threw the magazines away immediately, i consider them trash and don't even want them around... but then decided exactly what i was going to do.
i am going to buy a yard sale cross or virgin mary statue and give it to my mom.. i specifically told her i don't want any publications and she slipped them in anyways.... so, on that note, she hates any religious icons, i am going to give her something that she doesn't want.
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---lisavegas420 ---
On the last phone conversation with my dad, (about 2 years ago) I told him that no has ever been to our house. I mentioned that I couldn't get a subscription to the magazines either. He said "they stoped the magazines subscriptions, and you probaby wasn't at home when the JW's came by". ...I said I'm always home or either someone else is here.....He said... he would send me some liturature....he never did.....weird.
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That's another thing I hate about Witnesses. They say they are going to do something and then don't get back to you. Like they don't care or something. :( -
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Refusing magazines/books from JW relatives
by JustTickledPink inrecently my mother dropped in on us and in front of other people, very nicely handed me some trinkets aka dust collectors for my house and some wts magazines.
the way she handed everything to me at once i just held out my hands and took it all.. i threw the magazines away immediately, i consider them trash and don't even want them around... but then decided exactly what i was going to do.
i am going to buy a yard sale cross or virgin mary statue and give it to my mom.. i specifically told her i don't want any publications and she slipped them in anyways.... so, on that note, she hates any religious icons, i am going to give her something that she doesn't want.
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---Beck_Melbourne---
My mum always gives me magazines, and then she says 'oh but you better not read it, or you'll get scared'....ie. the end is near and all that shite. I just smile at her quirky little ways and put the magazines on my coffee table to make my apostate friends eye's pop out when they visit.
On the other hand, if my grandmother were to offer me or give me publications, I would be inclined to refuse them. She has a manner that offends me, yet my mother doesn't. Funny that.
~Beck~
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Did she actually say those exact words "oh but you better not read it, or you'll get scared," meaning that the end is near. :(
That's what I hate about Witnesses. Is this end is coming stuff all the time. I am sure Jehovah makes the final analysis of someone of whether they should be there or not! It's really up to you and on one else. Your mum (I don't mean to be rude) should back off! -
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2004 Numbers are on WT web site it looks like.
by garybuss inhttp://www.watchtower.org/statistics/worldwide_report.htm.
can anyone confirm this is what it looks like?
i may be delivering old news.
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---eyeslice---
I too noticed the lack of increase/decrease figures. But more interestingly, if you go to the home page how on earth can you find this page? I tried doing a serach and still couldn't find it. Interestingly, I found an article on the computer 'Millenium Bug' dated 1999! That a bit of old news we are all interested in - not!
Eyeslice
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2004 Numbers are on WT web site it looks like.
by garybuss inhttp://www.watchtower.org/statistics/worldwide_report.htm.
can anyone confirm this is what it looks like?
i may be delivering old news.
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---95stormfront---
Last I heard Alaska and Hawaii were part of the United States. Can anyone account for why they are counted seperately?
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What I feel about jehovahs-witness.com
by inquirer ini knew about this site ages ago.
and i always thought it was a good site.
there's always an interesting discussion here and there.
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---Honesty---
Welcome to th' board and good riddance to th' borg!!!
You'll love it here. You might even reject all the WT beliefs while you're at it.
Enjoy,
Honesty (but only about the WTBTS)
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I seem to be immune to all kinds of "negative opinions (or facts") about the WTS/JW's. It doesn't matter what people say, I always believe in it at the end of the day. All that's happened to me, it's like me calling a plumber and getting a new hot water system or something. The structure has remained the same, but only some things have been replaced. Maybe that's a bad way of explaining it, I don't know.
I just seem to be able to balance it all together, and criticism is just 2nd nature. It's like as if there was no criticism, I don't know how I would take it!!!! I am just so use to it, I understand the frustration and accept it. -
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New Australian Witness Forum
by HawkOwL inhi all, i'm hawkowl, the admin of a brand new board that we have started up in the rainbow region of new south wales, australia.
if your interested in dropping by and checking us out feel free.
our board is password protected but i'm sure you'll work it out.
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---ozziepost---
Brother Hawk,
By using these expressions and taking the attitude you do, you simply demonstrate that you're bound by the same mind-control as many other cults. Can you not at least allow that this is a possibility? I do so hope so.
Cheers, Ozzie (true freedom lovers class)
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Yeah! Give us freedom!
I don't like this anti-worldly people. Can't a Witness think to himself (they love speaking in the masculine form -- :D) "Hmmm, maybe it's a good Witness..." "you have to remain spotless to the world?"
Far out. I am interested in seeing some famous people in the resurrection! :D ha ha ha (I knew I would say something weird sooner or later.) But I don't think that just because someone else worldly, they are bad! Good Grief! Some of the worst people I have known are JW's themselves! And I am not trying to exaggerate! And get a "rowdy" "Yihah response" from other people on this board, I speak truly from the heart! Honest to the Lord. (I also dont' believe you have to say "Jehovah" all the time neither should you say "Lord" all the time.)
I like the idea of being moderate. Like moderate Catholic. Maybe I am a moderate JW. I am not an Orthodox JW. I am Moderate! :D ha ha ha -
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Anyone like me where you still believe in MOST of their doctrines?
by inquirer inlike i don't like that un involvment, record keeping.
i don't know what to think about the paedophile stuff, because you could accuse the catholic church of that too.
but apart from those things i still believe that god's name is jehovah, his son is jesus, no trinity, and he died on a torture stake... i love reading the new world translation, i believe it's the best one, but i love reading other translations too!
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---onacruse---
Hello inquirer
I still believe that God's name is Jehovah,
A wonderful OT god, indeed...rates right up there with Baal and Ashtoreth.
his son is Jesus,
The unknowable god has an unprovable son. Seems to me that the Almighty could have done a better job in proving his point...or, at least, in vetting his own son.
no trinity,
That I agree with, except that the Bible says otherwise.
and he died on a torture stake
No, it was a crucifix; no significant historical evidence exists to prove otherwise.
I love reading the New World Translation, I believe it's the best one
The NWT is one of the most stilted supposed translations of the original languages that has ever posted its face on this planet. I'd rather read the KJ than rely on one word in the NWT.
but I love reading other translations too!
Now there, I totally agree with you!!
I believe that you are suppose to preach and then you don't see others doing it, except for Mormons and a few other kinds, but then again they believe in Joseph Smith and the cross (The Society did offer proof in my opinion anyway.)
But I don't think they Have "love," and they are a bit cold blodded and superficial when they ask about you.
And what constitutes "preaching"? Door-to-door? Why? Because of a couple of misinterpreted passages from Acts?
"A bit cold-blooded."
They're way beyond being just "a bit" cold blooded. They have liquid nitrogen for blood.
Respectfully,
Craig
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It's a torture stake. Please read this. It's from the NWT supplement.
"The inspired writers of the Christian Greek Scriptures wrote in the common (koi·ne´) Greek and used the word stau·ros´ to mean the same thing as in the classical Greek, namely, a simple stake, or pale, without a crossbeam of any kind at any angle. There is no proof to the contrary. The apostles Peter and Paul also use the word xy´lon to refer to the torture instrument upon which Jesus was nailed, and this shows that it was an upright stake without a crossbeam, for that is what xy´lon in this special sense means. (Ac 5:30; 10:39; 13:29; Ga 3:13; 1Pe 2:24) In LXX we find xy´lon in Ezr 6:11 (1 Esdras 6:31), and there it is spoken of as a beam on which the violator of law was to be hanged, the same as in Ac 5:30; 10:39.
The Latin dictionary by Lewis and Short gives as the basic meaning of crux ?a tree, frame, or other wooden instruments of execution, on which criminals were impaled or hanged.? In the writings of Livy, a Roman historian of the first century B.C.E., crux means a mere stake. ?Cross? is only a later meaning of crux. A single stake for impalement of a criminal was called in Latin crux sim´plex. One such instrument of torture is illustrated by Justus Lipsius (1547-1606) in his book De cruce libri tres, Antwerp, 1629, p. 19. The photograph of the crux simplex on our p. 1578 is an actual reproduction from his book."
I suppose the WTBTS made this up? :(
*I think it's very bias of you to be so anti-NWT! It's taken so much out of proportion. I can't believe how biased people are towards! I find it very unfair.
*How do you get your word around about the truth if you don't preach? Even Joel got into trouble when he didn't preach to the people in Nineveh! Even this Catholic guy said it was a good thing. Please read this also!
(from -- Reasoning from the Scriptures.)
"Why do Jehovah?s Witnesses preach from house to house?
Jesus foretold for our day this work: ?This good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come.? He also instructed his followers: ?Go . . . and make disciples of people of all the nations.??Matt. 24:14; 28:19.
When Jesus sent out his early disciples, he directed them to go to the homes of the people. (Matt. 10:7, 11-13) The apostle Paul said regarding his ministry: ?I did not hold back from telling you any of the things that were profitable nor from teaching you publicly and from house to house.??Acts 20:20, 21; see also Acts 5:42.
The message that the Witnesses proclaim involves the lives of people; they want to be careful to miss no one. (Zeph. 2:2, 3) Their calls are motivated by love?first for God, also for their neighbor.
A conference of religious leaders in Spain noted this: ?Perhaps [the churches] are excessively neglectful about that which precisely constitutes the greatest preoccupation of the Witnesses?the home visit, which comes within the apostolic methodology of the primitive church. While the churches, on not a few occasions, limit themselves to constructing their temples, ringing their bells to attract the people and to preaching inside their places of worship, [the Witnesses] follow the apostolic tactic of going from house to house and of taking advantage of every occasion to witness.??El Catolicismo, Bogotá, Colombia, September 14, 1975, p. 14."
*What is so bad about preaching anyway?
*It doesn't really matter if I choose to read other transltions or not. I do it because I want to. I don't to get yours or anybody else's approval. I just love to appreciate many translations including the NWT. I like others like the NRSV, GNB, NJB...
*I don't necessarily think that every Witness is cold-blooded. I think the monsters right next to them might be. :D ;) -
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Anyone like me where you still believe in MOST of their doctrines?
by inquirer inlike i don't like that un involvment, record keeping.
i don't know what to think about the paedophile stuff, because you could accuse the catholic church of that too.
but apart from those things i still believe that god's name is jehovah, his son is jesus, no trinity, and he died on a torture stake... i love reading the new world translation, i believe it's the best one, but i love reading other translations too!
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---JerichoForce---
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I will respond to the issues you raised in time, however some of the issues you raised, if you take up AshtonCA's challenge which he posted earlier, see below, that site answers all the issues you raised probably better than what I can, though I will have a shot myself as well because they are very weak and from what I can see quite simple to counter...
You mention that leaving out these verses is no big deal, I disagree...You might take this lightly our Lord doesn't, in fact He warned us that our name would be taken from the book of life if we add to or 'REMOVE' from his word. So to completely omit verses that nearly every other translation of the bible, including the KJV which is the most accurate of all the bibles decided should be included means they needed COMPELLING evidence to selectively exclude these verses, particularly ones not in line with JW doctrine. God's word is not something to take lightly or meddle with. Combined with the examples in the link from Ashton below it is pretty clear why they omitted those verses and why so many others are selectively mistranslated in the NWT in an attempt to take away Jesus identity as God almighty, not because of an alleged claim that they weren't in earlier manuscripts. If you look into their explanations for dropping the verses I mentioned there is a lot more to it than simply saying they weren't in some of the earlier manuscripts, to enlighten you I will be going through them one by one and demonstrating that the evidence that these verses were and always have been God's word is overwhelming
Inquirer, Here is a website for you about how inacurate the NWT bible is. We also thought it was the best bible out there until we started looking into it. Did you know that the WTS changed a lot of the scriptures to make them fit to their beliefs and teachings? This right here is why this organization is going to be done away with because the bible says not to add to the bible, take away from the bible change it in any way. I hope this website helps you see where maybe it's not best to try to gain all of your bible knowledge for the NWT.
Some feel that the KJV is the best and most accurate, but I find it hard to understand, so I prefer another one that is just as accurate, which is the NIV.
Here is the site. http://www.howellministries.com/nwtperversions.html
Let me know what you think after you read this site.
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It makes me sad that people are so obsessed with the King James Bible, even though it's been proven beyond insanity that it's no good anymore. Oh, if King James did something, it must be alright. If the JW's do something it must be bad. Those 2 statements are just ludicrous!
I have looked at this site before... I think they are just translating it better! I don't think they are adding! I think the Catholic Church and the Mormon church add books to the Bible, why won't you criticize them? CAn you read that stupid King James Bible? You might have to walk into "word historian on English" to understand what it means.
I am not closed minded. I am open minded on a lot of things. So unless someone can prove otherwise, why should I say bad or negative things about the NWT?
I put up a web link from 2 sources saying that the NWT is a "remarkably good translation!" But everyone ignored that post! -
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The King James Version is Perfect
by blabbermouth ini don't know about anybody else,but i love the beautiful king james version.it contains no error and is perfect.there are no mistranslations in it,and none can be proven.i don't read or study anything else for spirituality.im like a tree that is planted by the water,i shall not be moved,amen,amen,hallelujah,praise jesus!!!!
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---googlemagoogle---
... you have to accept it as authority.
says who?
it's what they think, not what God thinks.
says who?
you have wisdom writings in all kinds of religions like Buddhism. But this is just someone's opinion.
says who?
the Bible was written for instructions from God.
says who?
The Koran and the Book of Mormon are of this kind of book too, but I don't believe in these holy books, obviously.
what's so obvious about that?
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---inquirer---
q1 - Bible
q2 - These men
q3 - Buddha's opinion
q4 - Please read the Bible. It tells you all this.
q5 - People like me think they are false. But they are written in a "God wrote this" style. aka - a religious holy book!
I don't think you read my post properly. :( It seems as if everytime I say something good, people just ignore me.
By saying "says who," shows that you doubt it authenticity. I am not telling you to believe it's fine! NO WORRIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!