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  Is the society shooting themselves in the foot with the new DF policy?

  by truth_about_the_truth in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  let's face it, it seems like a simplification of the df process as many of you have already mentioned.. within the 6 million or so jw worldwide, there has to be a good number of ppl that are on the fringes of being dfed.

  in the past, it took time to technically df these ppl because of the no-shows at judicial hearings and appeals.

  also dfing a person can be delayed when no actual proof can be provided of the sin committed.

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  truth_about_the_truth

  I think it's too soon to say if there is or there is not a significant change.

  The next Elder's school will answer some of these questions.
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  Is the society shooting themselves in the foot with the new DF policy?

  by truth_about_the_truth in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  let's face it, it seems like a simplification of the df process as many of you have already mentioned.. within the 6 million or so jw worldwide, there has to be a good number of ppl that are on the fringes of being dfed.

  in the past, it took time to technically df these ppl because of the no-shows at judicial hearings and appeals.

  also dfing a person can be delayed when no actual proof can be provided of the sin committed.

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  truth_about_the_truth

  No one says there's proof minimus. I admit this is pure speculation. Come on, the book just came out YESTERDAY. What kind of proof can be generated in 24 hours? We ARE allowed to speculate on this board aren't we?

  Besides, can you provide proof that there has been no change as you say? This is speculation on your part as well.

  Why does everything have to be a black and white statement? Can't we just take a statement at face value and take it as food for thought and consider the possibilities instead of demanding proof of something?

  You may be right, but then again I may be right. We can at least think about it and discuss.
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  Is the society shooting themselves in the foot with the new DF policy?

  by truth_about_the_truth in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  let's face it, it seems like a simplification of the df process as many of you have already mentioned.. within the 6 million or so jw worldwide, there has to be a good number of ppl that are on the fringes of being dfed.

  in the past, it took time to technically df these ppl because of the no-shows at judicial hearings and appeals.

  also dfing a person can be delayed when no actual proof can be provided of the sin committed.

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  truth_about_the_truth

  This is a repeat of my post from another thread:

  the details are told verbally at the next elder's school and are penciled into the margins. The way the policy is written, it can be taken in more than one way. We will need to wait and see what the specific implimentation will be.

  Exactly! We only have a general outline of what the change really is. I'm sure there are some MS or Elders on this board that will keep us up to date on the developments in the next MS/Elder's school.
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  New DF/DA Policy?

  by new light in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  would someone who has the new od book explain any changes in "keeping the congregation clean"?

  is it still the same policy or have they actually changed anything?

  i'd especially like to know if they are changing their tune on the "inactive".

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  truth_about_the_truth

  the details are told verbally at the next elder's school and are penciled into the margins. The way the policy is written, it can be taken in more than one way. We will need to wait and see what the specific implimentation will be.

  Exactly! We only have a general outline of what the change really is. I'm sure there are some MS or Elders on this board that will keep us up to date on the developments in the next MS/Elder's school.
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  Is the society shooting themselves in the foot with the new DF policy?

  by truth_about_the_truth in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  let's face it, it seems like a simplification of the df process as many of you have already mentioned.. within the 6 million or so jw worldwide, there has to be a good number of ppl that are on the fringes of being dfed.

  in the past, it took time to technically df these ppl because of the no-shows at judicial hearings and appeals.

  also dfing a person can be delayed when no actual proof can be provided of the sin committed.

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  truth_about_the_truth

  I disagree with minimus in that there is no new policy on DFing. There clearly is a reason why the DF policy was specifically mentioned during the announcement of the book. Something has definitely changed. I guess time will tell exactly how it has changed but it does appear that it is easier to DF someone than in the past.

  For a group that is hurting in numbers I dont know if that is such a smart move.
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  Is the society shooting themselves in the foot with the new DF policy?

  by truth_about_the_truth in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  let's face it, it seems like a simplification of the df process as many of you have already mentioned.. within the 6 million or so jw worldwide, there has to be a good number of ppl that are on the fringes of being dfed.

  in the past, it took time to technically df these ppl because of the no-shows at judicial hearings and appeals.

  also dfing a person can be delayed when no actual proof can be provided of the sin committed.

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  truth_about_the_truth

  Let's face it, it seems like a simplification of the DF process as many of you have already mentioned.

  Within the 6 million or so JW worldwide, there has to be a good number of ppl that are on the fringes of being DFed. In the past, it took time to technically DF these ppl because of the no-shows at judicial hearings and appeals. Also DFing a person can be delayed when no actual proof can be provided of the sin committed. Now that DFing can be done more unilaterally by the elders, the process has become streamlined.

  I think you can expect a surge of disfellowshippings in the coming yrs because of this. There already has been a lack of growth even without this. The numbers will shrink even more. Do you think in their attempt to 'simplify' the process they have shot themselves in the foot?
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  If the WT were to "reform" would you stay or go back?

  by confusedjw in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this thought has sprung from recent threads and speculation over the new book.

  i know many who post here are still active jw's or ones who were df'd, but may have not totally left the belief system.

  many have trouble with the methods and policies of the wt concerning dfing, restrictions, blood, local elders etc.

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  truth_about_the_truth

  If they made all those reforms, there would be no significance in the religion itself. It becomes pretty much a social club. What's the point?

  Let's meet for the sake of meeting?
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  The Proof!!!!: The Use of Explosives on 911 at the World Trade Center Compl

  by Ianone in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  new video analysis from alex jones, absolute proof of wtc explosives, you must watch this!

  the proof!!!!

  : the use of explosives on 911 at the world trade center complex .

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  truth_about_the_truth

  stained,

  Except we dont preach that you need to put in x amount of hours and listen to everything we say or you will die.

  I'm glad you have an open mind about this. You may find all this ranting useful for you sometime down the road.

  That's all. There's nothing else we can do at this point but be somewhat aware and keep in in the back of our minds.
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  The Proof!!!!: The Use of Explosives on 911 at the World Trade Center Compl

  by Ianone in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  new video analysis from alex jones, absolute proof of wtc explosives, you must watch this!

  the proof!!!!

  : the use of explosives on 911 at the world trade center complex .

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  truth_about_the_truth

  stained,

  uhhhhh...this is a web forum. What more do you want? Should I go and knock on your door and offer the latest issue of "Conspiracy" magazine?
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  The Proof!!!!: The Use of Explosives on 911 at the World Trade Center Compl

  by Ianone in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  new video analysis from alex jones, absolute proof of wtc explosives, you must watch this!

  the proof!!!!

  : the use of explosives on 911 at the world trade center complex .

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  truth_about_the_truth

  taylor

  "Thirsting for Christian blood, Nero put Rome to the torch. When she was reduced to embers and ash, he held Christians up as villains. A certain Hermann Goring learned this story as a child." Bertold Brecht

  You hit the ball on the sweet spot here!

  This tactic has been used over and over again in history.

  Create a crisis, blame it on someone else, become the hero, gain more power.

  History repeats itself.