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  Is this the mother of all anti-jw discussion boards?

  by truth_about_the_truth in

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  i've seen a few other ones but this one seems to be the most active.

  by far the most interesting and diverse.. there's another one out there on e-watchman but found that one to be quite cheezy.

  everyone overuses emoticons for some reason over there.

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  this is becoming the mother of all emoticon threads.
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  Is this the mother of all anti-jw discussion boards?

  by truth_about_the_truth in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i've seen a few other ones but this one seems to be the most active.

  by far the most interesting and diverse.. there's another one out there on e-watchman but found that one to be quite cheezy.

  everyone overuses emoticons for some reason over there.

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  Dont get me wrong...I have no problem with emoticons. It gets on my nerves when it's used by almost everyone after every thought..

  Oh what the hell.....
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  Is this the mother of all anti-jw discussion boards?

  by truth_about_the_truth in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i've seen a few other ones but this one seems to be the most active.

  by far the most interesting and diverse.. there's another one out there on e-watchman but found that one to be quite cheezy.

  everyone overuses emoticons for some reason over there.

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  I've seen a few other ones but this one seems to be the most active. By far the most interesting and diverse.

  There's another one out there on e-watchman but found that one to be quite cheezy. Everyone overuses emoticons for some reason over there. It gets on my nerves.
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  Any ex-bethelites here?

  by truth_about_the_truth in

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  i just joined the board a few days ago.. just wondering if there are any ex-bethelites here from brooklyn.

  is so, when were you there?

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  Yeah Randy, I've read your info. Thanks for putting up all that info for all to see. You've helped me see through a lot of the clutter especially with a bethel perspective
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  The Slow Death of the WTS (from the WT 15 Feb 2005)

  by ezekiel3 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i will defer the details of this gem to blondie when she sinks her teeth into the wt study articles scheduled for march 21-april 3. until then sample this:.

  watchtower 15 feb 2005 "christians - be proud of who you are!

  " (pg 12-16) .

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  The slow death may be happening quicker than we think.....thanks to the internet and forums like this.
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  Is there a difference between a "wrong expectation" and a "false prophecy"?

  by booker-t in

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  as many of you posters know by now that my mom has been a devout jw for 40 years and just cannot accept the fact that i am no longer a jw and feel that i am being deceived by apostates and will be destroyed at armaggeddon.

  well the other day we had another knock down debate about "false prophecies" and the wts.

  my mom insist that the wts are not false prophets but merely had many "wrong expectations" the same as other bible writers and disciples of christ.

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  Wrong expectation = when the WT gets it wrong

  False prophecy = Everyone else
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  BLOOD card - in a nutshell

  by TheEdge in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i know they are renewed yearly, and here's my dilemma......my mother being a devout jw (and me well faded) - i know i am named on her card as next of kin (she mentioned it a few weeks ago) and over the years she has always asked me to stand against the blood issue on her behalf if she's unable to do so.

  i have always agreed, because whatever i believe, i also respect the belief of others too.

  now i'm wondering what exactly is on there........is it a flip flop?

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  In a nutshell, taking blood fractions has become a conscience issue. In the past, this was unheard of. Anything in any way associated with blood was a no-no. The 4 major elements of blood (red blood cell, white blood cell, platelets, plasma) are still not allowed. (The WT, not the medical field has defined what these 'major' elements are)

  Why is it presented in such a complicated way? it's to hide the fact that basically blood transfusions have now really become a matter of conscience. Why do they want to hide this under a veil of confusion?

  Can you imagine what would happen if they flat out came out and announced that taking blood is now your personal decision? Current and former JW who have lost loved ones in the past would sue them for every penny and the public outcry would be enormous.

  So to minimize the damage, they have introduced a new DPA which replaces the old blood card. Now YOU have to choose which fractions your conscience allows you to take on the DPA. That way if anything happens where you lose your life because of blood complications, the WT is not liable. Are you kidding me? Last I checked, most of JW are not experts in the medical field. How are we supposed to know which fractions should be considered 'holy and unacceptable'? I have to reason that 99% of JW who fill out that form will accept all blood fractions that wont get themselve DFed when their loved ones lives are on the line.

  As for the 4 'major' components that are not allowed? That's a joke.

  Ex: If I need plasma (which is 97% water) to live, would you consider that blood?

  White blood cells are transferred from mother to child when breast feeding. Is the baby drinking mom's blood?

  The doctors can always find a way around these idiotic technicalities if there ever is an issue. So basically, blood transfusions have become a personal decision and if you die because you refuse any blood component, it is your responsibility. If you filled out the DPA, you cant sue the WT society.

  You'll never read that in the WT though. Instead you get the encrypted version.
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  Any ex-bethelites here?

  by truth_about_the_truth in

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  i just joined the board a few days ago.. just wondering if there are any ex-bethelites here from brooklyn.

  is so, when were you there?

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  truth_about_the_truth

  Thanks for the link blondie...i've checked that out before. It's really informative.

  mamas,

  you can get a description of my current state in my debut post here http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/24/83857/1.ashx

  To summarize, not df'ed still "active" but fading. What caused the change from 'spiritual giant' to 'spiritually weak'?

  It was a gradual thing but mainly, there are too many rules from the FDS that go against the spirit of true christianity. The more research I did the more inconsistencies I've found.

  The one that struck a chord with me personally was the DF doctrine since it has affected a close family member. There is a clear misapplication of the scriptures that are used to support this. It is clearly there for self preservation purposes of the org. as a whole not because of love of neighbor.

  Another one is the blood issue. How is a symbol of life (blood) supposed to outweigh life itself by allowing someone to die in order to uphold the sanctity of the symbol? Didnt make sense.

  I didnt like the way that GB or other responsible members of bethel were glorified. Not what Jesus taught.

  Didnt agree with the concept of a FDS coming in between us Jesus and Jehovah.

  What really did me in was that I couldnt be outspoken about my concerns without fear of being stigmatized. We should all be free to voice our concerns and opinions. Isn't that a human right that was given to us by the Creator?

  I read Crisis of Conscience and In Search of Christian Freedom. Nuff said.

  There's a lot more but thats pretty much in a nutshell. I'll post more subjects in the future piece by piece on issues that caused me to become this way.

  Sorry to hear about the fact that you've been shunned. It's not a "loving" thing to do. Jesus never shunned the sinners of his day but built them up. Keep that in mind.
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  Any ex-bethelites here?

  by truth_about_the_truth in

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  i just joined the board a few days ago.. just wondering if there are any ex-bethelites here from brooklyn.

  is so, when were you there?

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  I just joined the board a few days ago.

  Just wondering if there are any ex-bethelites here from Brooklyn. Is so, when were you there?
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  A religion with nothing to Celebrate

  by eyeslice in

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  how sad that the witnesses have nothing to celebrate.

  the more i think about it since i stopped going to the meetings, the more i feel that spirituality and religion are about opportunities to give thanks and to celebrate life with family and friends.

  christenings or name giving ceremonies celebrate the gift of a new life to a family.

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  I've heard this one before, "We are so blessed because we dont have to waste money and worry about buying gifts at christmas. What a hassle."