Posts by stevenyc

i must say, at first i was very "scared" at what i might find, but contrary to what i grew up learning, there is a "wealth" of information outside of the watchtower organization.

i haven't attended meetings for about two years now, and like many i've read about, have spent many hours researching, telling myself "i'm not wrong for searching", and doing more research.

stevenyc

I do not have access to the materials scholar is refering to, so could someone on the board drop some scans, or relay the info.
Many thanks,

steve.

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Can it be proven that the WTS is NOT God's personal organization?

by M.J. in

imagine trying to prove to someone that firmly believes in leprechauns that they simply don't exist.

where do you start?

an excellent saying i have heard is "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

45 Who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time? 46 Happy is that slave if his master on arriving finds him doing so. 47 Truly I say to YOU, He will appoint him over all his belongings.
48 But if ever that evil slave should say in his heart, ?My master is delaying,? 49 and should start to beat his fellow slaves and should eat and drink with the confirmed drunkards, 50 the master of that slave will come on a day that he does not expect and in an hour that he does not know, 51 and will punish him with the greatest severity and will assign him his part with the hypocrites. There is where [his] weeping and the gnashing of [his] teeth will be.

Well, chech out the letter from Olin R. Moyle, this eye witness account proves that the bethelites are not the faithful and descrete slave as defined by their own bible.

http://www.geocities.com/osarsif/moyle.htm

Here are some of my favorite quotes from that letter:

For that he was humiliated, called a jackass, and given a public lambasting. Others have been similarly treated. McCaughey, McCormick, Knorr, Prosser, Price, Van Sipma, Ness and others have been similarly scolded. They have been publicly called to account, condemned, and reprimanded without any previous notice. This summer some of the most unfair public reproaches have been given. J. Y. McCauley asked a question which carried with it a criticism of the present method of Watch Tower study. For that he was severely reprimanded. Your action constituted a violation of the principle for which we are fighting, towit, freedom of speech. It was the action of a boss and not that of a fellow servant
The facts cannot be denied. Take for instance the difference between the accommodations furnished to you, and your personal attendants, compared with those furnished to some of your brethren. You have many many homes, to wit, Bethel, Staten Island, California, etc. I am informed that even at the Kingdom Farm one house is kept for your sole use during the short periods you spend there. And what do the brethren at the farm receive? Small rooms, unheated thru the bitter cold winter weather. They live in their trunks like campers.
Harsh treatment of one and favored treatment of another is discrimination, and should not have a place in the Lord's organization
It is shocking and nauseating to hear vulgar speaking and smut at Bethel.
Under your tutelage there has grown up a glorification of alcohol and condemnation of total abstinence which is unseemly?.You have publicly labeled total abstainers as prudes and therefore must assume your share of the responsibility for the Bacchus like attitude exhibited by members of the family.

P.S. Thanks osarsif, you have some good info on your page.
steve

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Seeker4 Facing DFing - Seeks advice!! Lawyer??

by Seeker4 in

jw
friends

some of you may remember me, seeker4, from several hundred posts 3 to 6 years ago.

i recognize some of the names in today's forums, and maybe some of you remember me.

don't confuse me with seeker - i'm s4.

stevenyc

I not up on the JW law these days, however, could it be so your ex getting you df through adulary so she can spritually devorce / remarry 'in gods eyes'.

Added: I agree with getting a lawyer to sit in with you, and have the juditial inquisition.

steve

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Science is a threat...

by homme perdu in

to many religions but i dont understand why.

do you think there will be an understanding between the two?

stevenyc

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Majikthise, one of the Universe's greatest philosophers:

"You just let the machines get on with the adding up," warned Majikthise, "and we'll take care of the eternal verities thank you very much. You want to check your legal position you do mate. Under law the Quest for Ultimate Truth is quite clearly the inalienable prerogative of your working thinkers. Any bloody machine goes and actually finds it and we're straight out of a job aren't we? I mean what's the use of our sitting up half the night arguing that there may or may not be a God if this machine only goes and gives us his bleeding phone number the next morning?"

steve

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Daniel's Prophecy, 605 BCE or 624 BCE?

by Little Bo Peep in

hello all, i've been reading your site for a couple of years now, and have found, for the most part, it to be very helpful.

i must say, at first i was very "scared" at what i might find, but contrary to what i grew up learning, there is a "wealth" of information outside of the watchtower organization.

i haven't attended meetings for about two years now, and like many i've read about, have spent many hours researching, telling myself "i'm not wrong for searching", and doing more research.