Posts by stevenyc

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What do you think the Society's future holds?

by KW13 in

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i get the feeling the society is gonna suffer a huge loss of number, with people who are in getting old, those 'raised' in the so called truth leaving and less and less interested ones because more people are aware.. .

it has its ups and downs but it seems the ups aren't as big as they used to, some never recovered from 1975 and others from the 1995 generation thingy.. your thoughts?.

stevenyc

As Napoleon said: When small men attempt great enterprises, they always end by reducing them to the level of their mediocrity.

steve

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Spirtism....BLONDIE, or Scully.. or anybody.

by earthtone in

where can you find the passage in the bible that talks about spirtism and when some guy( know) went to visit a spirt medium.

i'm so drawing a blank and i'm at work.

and someone's father claims there is no mention of ghost in the bible.

stevenyc

There's also: Matt 17 with the ghosts of Moses and Elijah

Matthew 17

1 After six days Jesus took with him Peter, James and John the brother of James, and led them up a high mountain by themselves. 2 There he was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and his clothes became as white as the light. 3 Just then there appeared before them Moses and Elijah, talking with Jesus.

4 Peter said to Jesus, "Lord, it is good for us to be here. If you wish, I will put up three shelters?one for you, one for Moses and one for Elijah."

5 While he was still speaking, a bright cloud enveloped them, and a voice from the cloud said, "This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased. Listen to him!"

6 When the disciples heard this, they fell facedown to the ground, terrified. 7 But Jesus came and touched them. "Get up," he said. "Don't be afraid." 8 When they looked up, they saw no one except Jesus.

steve

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Spirtism....BLONDIE, or Scully.. or anybody.

by earthtone in

where can you find the passage in the bible that talks about spirtism and when some guy( know) went to visit a spirt medium.

i'm so drawing a blank and i'm at work.

and someone's father claims there is no mention of ghost in the bible.

stevenyc

You may be thinking of the which of Endor.

1 Samuel 28:7-19 (New International Version)

7 Saul then said to his attendants, "Find me a woman who is a medium, so I may go and inquire of her."
"There is one in Endor," they said.

8 So Saul disguised himself, putting on other clothes, and at night he and two men went to the woman. "Consult a spirit for me," he said, "and bring up for me the one I name."

9 But the woman said to him, "Surely you know what Saul has done. He has cut off the mediums and spiritists from the land. Why have you set a trap for my life to bring about my death?"

10 Saul swore to her by the LORD, "As surely as the LORD lives, you will not be punished for this."

11 Then the woman asked, "Whom shall I bring up for you?"
"Bring up Samuel," he said.

12 When the woman saw Samuel, she cried out at the top of her voice and said to Saul, "Why have you deceived me? You are Saul!"

13 The king said to her, "Don't be afraid. What do you see?"
The woman said, "I see a spirit [ a ] coming up out of the ground."

14 "What does he look like?" he asked.
"An old man wearing a robe is coming up," she said.
Then Saul knew it was Samuel, and he bowed down and prostrated himself with his face to the ground.

15 Samuel said to Saul, "Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up?"
"I am in great distress," Saul said. "The Philistines are fighting against me, and God has turned away from me. He no longer answers me, either by prophets or by dreams. So I have called on you to tell me what to do."

16 Samuel said, "Why do you consult me, now that the LORD has turned away from you and become your enemy? 17 The LORD has done what he predicted through me. The LORD has torn the kingdom out of your hands and given it to one of your neighbors?to David. 18 Because you did not obey the LORD or carry out his fierce wrath against the Amalekites, the LORD has done this to you today. 19 The LORD will hand over both Israel and you to the Philistines, and tomorrow you and your sons will be with me. The LORD will also hand over the army of Israel to the Philistines."

steve

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How do I find article by Barbara Anderson?

by ThomasCovenant in

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hello i remember reading an article or link on this site by barbara anderson where she tells of her experiences at bethel.

could someone tell where where to find it again.

thanks thomas covenant

stevenyc

You can find various articles from Barbara here: http://www.freeminds.org/women/barbara_anderson.htm

steve

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Photos of Beth Shan

by why144000 in

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i have posted this link before but decided to put it up again as there are a lot of new(er) members who may be interested.

the area around beth shan is now a gated community so it is a bit hard to get there.

there has been a lot of discussion regarding beth shan with ed gruss(?

stevenyc

OKay, I jumped in BEFORE reading the entire post. (Slaps self upside the head). I went to Beth Serim. I didn't know about Beth Shan.

Steve

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Photos of Beth Shan

by why144000 in

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i have posted this link before but decided to put it up again as there are a lot of new(er) members who may be interested.

the area around beth shan is now a gated community so it is a bit hard to get there.

there has been a lot of discussion regarding beth shan with ed gruss(?

stevenyc

why144K:The area around Beth Shan is now a gated community so it is a bit hard to get there.

When did this happen? I was there last December and drove right there.

steve

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I am a "semi-apologist"!

by slimboyfat in

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well, according to our pontiff in residence alan f anyway.

what is this some kind of promotion?

after all, i used to used to be an unreformed apologist troll.

stevenyc

sbf, I thought you were 'waiting on Jehovah' to tell you what you are. steve

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Sorry, another 607 question

by mysterio91 in

i would have done a search, but this site seems to have gotten sloooow since the last time i was here.

long story short, my sister wants to know what's keeping me from coming back to the "truth".

if i decide to have that conversation with her, we will address 607 vs 587.. it got me thinking about a theory i never had a chance to ask here.

stevenyc

One of the easiest ways to spoil the watchtowers own interpretation of Daniel, that doesn't require a visit to a museum or a Hebrew to English translation is Daniel 4. Ask her to read Daniel 4, and then ask her when the prophecy was FULLFILED.

Daniel is very specific about the prophecies in his book regarding when they either were fulfilled or is they were to be fulfilled in the future.

steve

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Sophistry LessonsJW Baptismal Prerequisites

by AuldSoul in

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in this thread we will examine chapter 18 of the book what does the bible really teach?, entitled baptism and your relationship with god.. .

is there any scripture provided to support the statement?

stevenyc

Auldsoul, I've tryed to locate scriptures that show people baptised in the first century contemplated over time their dedication to Christ, prior to immersion but, I can't find any. In all the scriptures I've found it appears to be a rather abrupt affair.

steve

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Sophistry LessonsJW Baptismal Prerequisites

by AuldSoul in

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in this thread we will examine chapter 18 of the book what does the bible really teach?, entitled baptism and your relationship with god.. .

is there any scripture provided to support the statement?

stevenyc

The killer scripture against the JW baptismal requirement for studying before getting dipped is Acts 2. The knowledge the crowds received regarding Christ was delivered in one day:

36 "Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ."

37 When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles, "Brothers, what shall we do?"

38 Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off?for all whom the Lord our God will call."

40 With many other words he warned them; and he pleaded with them, "Save yourselves from this corrupt generation." 41 Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to their number that day.

steve