I guess what really hit me is that the human sacrifice is really SATANIC (from a Christian point of view).
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What really bothers me about my JW research.
by ithinkisee insome of you may know, but i have been on a serious journey through watchtower "theology", and by association, have gone back all through the history of christianity.
i know many on this list have gone thru the same thing.
i have checked out probably 100 archeological, religious, and history books from the library.
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The Divine Name - Lost on Purpose?
by ithinkisee inthe jws make it out to be some big theory that there was a conspiracy to remove the divine name from scripture.
what i don't understand is - if "jehovah" can surely preserve the bible down through the ages, then he certainly could have made sure his name was still there also.. it is also pretty clear that the divine name did not appear in the greek scriptures.. could it be possible that god let his name disappear on purpose so that when jesus came along there wouldn't be any confusion?.
i was googling trying to find some references but couldn't find much.
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that's a good observation, ithinkisee, although I was too distracted by your avatar to really concentrate on what you were saying...
You should see the looks I get at the post office. -ithinkisee
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Any coloured people here?
by Hellrider innow that i got your attention, here`s a quote from the wt, february 1952:.
"really, our colored brothers have a great cause for rejoicing.
their race is meek and teachable, and from it comes a high percentage of the theocratic increase.
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Their race is meek and teachable
This is because they probably didn't have much schooling in general.
Funny, that is the impression I got from the District COnvention that is how they want ALL JW's to be - unlearned, uneducated, teachable.
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A Question for Jehovah's Witnesses
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http://www.cafepress.com/catholicxjw.25601486
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What really bothers me about my JW research.
by ithinkisee insome of you may know, but i have been on a serious journey through watchtower "theology", and by association, have gone back all through the history of christianity.
i know many on this list have gone thru the same thing.
i have checked out probably 100 archeological, religious, and history books from the library.
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Some of you may know, but I have been on a serious journey through watchtower "theology", and by association, have gone back all through the history of Christianity. I know many on this list have gone thru the same thing. I have checked out probably 100 archeological, religious, and history books from the library. I am now thoroughly able to explain the Trinity concept from the bible (not that I really believe the Trinity even at this point, but I am just working through the "layers" - if you know what I mean.) I can trace heresies and sects and different family lines of Bible translations and crap like that. Between sources on the Internet and the library and Amazon.com I have been able to acquire many of the publications - or at least scans of the publications - that the Society likes to quote from. I got semi-decent at researching Greek, and got a good Interlinear and also have a few bible translations to look through. I am fairly familiar with most of the early Church Father's writings. I figured out most of the Society's twisted chronology and can easily identify arguments in the literature where they use loaded language (hint: all the time) and when their teaching deviates from established chronology and - most importantly - from the Bible. I can explain how the meeting requirements, field service, blood issue, and other ridiculousness are not based in scripture. There are still a few of their chronology that I haven't worked through ... but for the most part I've got it down. ... all because I really want to have a firm grasp on the scriptures and on the Watchtower theology when I break the news to my wife.
Whew!
But the thing that REALLY bothers me is this: Jehovah's Witnesses died from refusing organ transplants in the 1970's. Then the Society changed their mind.
It's that simple! I have read two accounts recently of people whose relatives died from refusing "bone marrow" transplants in the late 70's. In one case only two years before the Society changed their mind.
I can argue VAT/BM documents, royal inscriptions, Ptolmey, Berossus, definite articles until I'm blue in the face - but it is as simple as this:
People offered themselves up as a human sacrifice to the Watchtower Society - voluntarily and unnecessarily. If that is not demonic, I don't know what is.
Just wanted to vent .... thanks ...
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The Real Deal - Silencing the critics Part 2
by rambaldi inis this issue of the watchtower being part of the un department of public information of any significance?.
at the district conventions of jehovahs witnesses there are flags of the united states and other sovereign government such as states or other countries hanging from the buildings.
the governing body and the watchtower society rent buildings which become the equivalent of kingdom halls for the weekend.
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I love how "silencing the critics" threads always grab the most responses from ... um ... the critics ....
The next principle to consider is: How does the actions of an individual working at the Watchtower Society affect the organization? It doesn’t. The organization is lead by Jesus Christ through the Governing Body. I don’t recall the governing body having a vote on the matter and then publishing the matter to the organization. So…
Someone is seriously out of touch ... that is EXACTLY how it happens ... except you forgot about the part where they meet a year or so later and change their mind and publish "New Light" .... or "Lighter-colored Sh*t", as I like to call it.
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Does ANYONE exercise control like the Dubs?
by upside/down inthink about it...in what area of life does anyone do what they do...?
i'm talking meddling in your "personal" matters, inviting you to the "backroom" (wtf?
), discussing how you've "stumbled" someone, tell you you're not doing enough, dictate your clothes, your speech, want to know "why" you weren't at the meeting or fs, need to know the "intimacies" of marriage...to keep the congo clean..., label everyone either "weak" or "a pillar", want to know if you "beat your meat"...(but beating your kids is ok)..., have you been having impure thoughts, help you choose a "spiritual" (ugly) mate, why you bought a (gasp) 2-door car, whether you attended the meetings while on "vacation", turned down that scholarship to "pioneer"...actually got us to sell everything and move to timbuktu and stay.... .
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See if the JWs fit Steven Hassan's BITE model for cults:
Behavioral Control
Information Control
Thought Control
Emotional COntrolCompilation of texts ...
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/91207/1.ashx(I have actually updated my personal copy ... I wish I could update the online one ... any ideas how?)
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Can you tell me about this "inspection"
by Sunspot in.
it seems that at the 2005 district convention, that the idea that jesus had come in 1919 and had chosen the wts, was mentioned three times.. i have yet to see where this was proven other than the wts "saying" that it happened.. can anyone show the proof concerning this monumental event?.
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I believe somewhere the Society says that in that 3.5 years they cleansed their teachings. However, they still did the same supposedly "unclean" stuff in 1919 that they did in 1914 (i.e. birthdays, Xmas, worshipped Jesus, smoked cigs, etc.)
I might also add they also did not have a "Governing Body" then either. Russell was the GB, then Rutherford, then Knorr up until the 70's.
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Watchtower misquotes of secular sources
by ithinkisee insometimes it may be hard to get someone to see how serious a problem it is that the society misquotes sources.. here are a couple classic examples though:.
trinity brochure:.
http://www.macgregorministries.org/jehovahs_witnesses/examtrin/examintrinity.html.
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Sometimes it may be hard to get someone to see how serious a problem it is that the Society misquotes sources.
Here are a couple classic examples though:
Trinity Brochure:
http://www.macgregorministries.org/jehovahs_witnesses/examtrin/examintrinity.htmlCross (under the heading Quote ... MIsquote)
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Parthenon/7831/cross.htmlA good non-biblical example of how deceptive this is - is by looking at how blatant movie review misquotes are. Tell me if this kind of research sounds familiar
Blurb Racket 4/1/05http://www.gelfmagazine.com/mt/archives/the_blurb_racket.html
http://www.gelfmagazine.com/mt/archives/blurb_racket_4105.html
The arts section of each Friday's New York Times has pages of movie ads that feature positive blurbs from critics. Leafing through the ad pages in today's paper, I found quotes out of context, lousy reviewers, and faint praise. See the inaugural Blurb Racket column for background and useful links.Miss Congeniality 2: Armed and FabulousBoston Herald: "Simply Fabulous."
Not quoted: "decidedly sitcom-flavored material"; "often seems like an elaborate commercial for the Treasure Island Hotel, and I may not be alone in being tired of Regis Philbin's guest appearances."Kontroll
A.O. Scott, New York Times: "A gritty and stylish debut. A tour de force."
Actual line: "Like many modern allegories, 'Kontroll,' a tour de force of grime, fluorescence and destinationless velocity, is more concerned with atmosphere than meaning."Look at Me
J. Hoberman, Village Voice: "The most critically well-received movie in Cannes."
Actual line: "The most critically well-received movie in competition so far, albeit wanly, has been Agnès Jaoui's character-driven comedy Look at Me.Beauty Shop
Lou Lumenick, New York Post: "An excellent ensemble ... the warm, funny, empowering 'Beauty Shop' is a cut above."
Actual line: "With an excellent ensemble headed by Queen Latifah, the warm, funny, empowering (and estrogen-drenched) 'Beauty Shop' is a cut above what you'd expect from the spinoff of a sequel."
Not quoted: "trades heavily in stereotypes"; "there is a plot of sorts"Whom Can You Trust? A Guide To Your Film Critics
by Erik Childresshttp://www.hollywoodbitchslap.com/feature.php?feature=525
Not often, but occasionally, studio publicists will take the appropriate words out of a critic’s review or soundbite and fit them into a context more befitting of their product. Ebert is a frequent target for misquote, finding sentences like “a series of slapstick comedy adventures” from his one-and-a-half star review of See Spot Run or “Funny” slapped across ads for Adam Sandler’s Little Nicky, which was also met with negativity.
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Granted, this is only movies ... but note the lack of integrity and honesty in writing.
Imagine how much more serious with matters of faith.
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The Divine Name - Lost on Purpose?
by ithinkisee inthe jws make it out to be some big theory that there was a conspiracy to remove the divine name from scripture.
what i don't understand is - if "jehovah" can surely preserve the bible down through the ages, then he certainly could have made sure his name was still there also.. it is also pretty clear that the divine name did not appear in the greek scriptures.. could it be possible that god let his name disappear on purpose so that when jesus came along there wouldn't be any confusion?.
i was googling trying to find some references but couldn't find much.
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The JWs make it out to be some big theory that there was a conspiracy to remove the divine name from scripture.
What I don't understand is - if "Jehovah" can SURELY preserve the bible down through the ages, then he certainly could have made sure his name was still there also.
It is also pretty clear that the divine name did not appear in the Greek scriptures.
Could it be possible that God let his name disappear ON PURPOSE so that when Jesus came along there wouldn't be any confusion?
I was googling trying to find some references but couldn't find much. But it would seem to make sense.
Anyone ever come across anything like that?
-ithinkisee