Posts by RescueMe

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2004 Numbers are on WT web site it looks like.

by garybuss in

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friends

http://www.watchtower.org/statistics/worldwide_report.htm.

can anyone confirm this is what it looks like?

i may be delivering old news.

Were You Really That Much Harmed Because You Were A Witness?

by minimus in

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friends

looking back, did your being a jw hurt you all that much???

?

RescueMe

When you are a small child thinking you will die

That was one of the reasons that got me started on my quest to learn more about the JW's. I knew someone who at 20 years old said they were surprised to still be alive, and had expected to die many years ago. I was horrified at the idea that one would tell a child that sort of thing.

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2004 Numbers are on WT web site it looks like.

by garybuss in

jw
friends

http://www.watchtower.org/statistics/worldwide_report.htm.

can anyone confirm this is what it looks like?

i may be delivering old news.

RescueMe

In looking at that report, at the bottom it says "other lands". Doe anyone know or can anyone tell me what "other lands" encompasses? Thanks.

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In My Time of Dyin'......

by PopeOfEruke in

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friends

ever given any thought to your own funeral?

do you plan to have a memorial service, in a kh?

or in a church?

RescueMe

I'm not a JW but I have my funeral or memorial all planned out already. I wanted to take the burden of thinking and planning it off of my children, I've tried to think of everything to ensure that they have nothing to do or worry about when my time comes.

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New here

by Delta20 in

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friends

my name is jaron, 19 years old, i'm from the netherlands, and in about a month i am going to start joining the jw's meetings and i'm kind of looking forward to become a jw.

i can of course tell ya'll my entire spiritual story, but that would take an entire bookwork.

in a nuttshell: my father is an ex-jw, my half-sis (from an earlier marriage from my dads) is one of those "special pioneers", and i am jewish (my mom is jewish).

RescueMe

Good question,
Would someone, when he closed a deal with a group of good people and their children, and their childrens children and so on, and later some of these children fail to meet their end of the deal at one time, break the deal? When they fail to meet their end of the deal some more, would you break the deal then? Turns out God himself, in the bible, is a forgiving God. His own people, the children of Israel, failed to keep their part of the deal time and time again. And he didn't break it. And after this failing of his people happened more and more and more, God sent his Son to them. And even after they killed his Son, he extended the deal not only to his people, the children of Israel, but to everyone.
Certainly, we can see that God keeps up with those who have previously been wrong. He would even save a mass murderer who gets a change of heart. Shouldn't we try to do the same thing? My claim is that the deal itself, which I keep calling the JW religion, is good. And yes, the people, and even the entire organization makes mistakes. In ancient times, God would send prophets to show the people who do wrong that they have to change their ways. We don't have those anymore, but we can still try, together, to change wrong policies and make them right.
The analogies you supply miss something that the JW do have, the correct faith.

You are eqating the WTBS with God?

How do you know that the JW have the "correct faith"? How can you know that? Could you as a human, trusting in an organization be mistaken?

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New here

by Delta20 in

jw
friends

my name is jaron, 19 years old, i'm from the netherlands, and in about a month i am going to start joining the jw's meetings and i'm kind of looking forward to become a jw.

i can of course tell ya'll my entire spiritual story, but that would take an entire bookwork.

in a nuttshell: my father is an ex-jw, my half-sis (from an earlier marriage from my dads) is one of those "special pioneers", and i am jewish (my mom is jewish).

RescueMe

Delta20
I just wanted to be clear on this point that you stated:

Havent I admitted already that organizations can be flawed and people make mistakes... if I didnt then here it goes: organizations can be flawed and people make mistakes.

You admit that humans make mistakes correct?
Organizations can be flawed correct?

If those "mistakes & flaws" cost human lives, is it worth it to continue to believe what those mistaken humans and flawed organizations are claiming, knowing that they have been wrong before? How is anyone supposed to trust in future claims made, knowing that past claims have been wrong?

If you went to a doctor to diagnose a medical condition and found out later that the diagnosis was wrong and you lost a limb, or an organ, or suffered through a treatment that wasn't needed, but only caused you some discomfort (and you had to pay for this with your own $$$), would you continue to go to that doctor and trust in his judgement? Would you say that well, one mistake was made, they have discovered their error and corrected it, so now I will give them the benefit of the doubt and trust their judgement?
If you found out that your accountant was cheating you, would you continue to use that accountant? Would you allow this accountant to repent, and then say, well they have learned a new way of keeping the books, and now I don't worry about them cheating me any longer? If you caught this accountant cheating you again, would you continue to trust this accountant?
If you found out your car mechanic was wrong, and it cost you your car due to wrong repair would you continue to to reccomend this person to others? Would you take your new car back to this same mechanic? Would you say to yourself, well, maybe they won't be wrong this time, or maybe they have learned something new or realized their error, so perhaps this time it will be okay?

Would you continue on this path of trusting those who have previously been wrong?

If you say no, then why would someone trust their spiritual well being in an organization that has been wrong on so many occasions? Because they are changing their stance? Does that not show that they have been proven wrong, otherwise why the need to change? If they were wrong previously, then what is to say they won't continue to be wrong?

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paradise

by sun_dae in

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friends

who do you want to see again if the "earth be restored to a paradise?

"

RescueMe

I should like to see my husband again.

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to all parents..please please answer...

by gotcha in

hello it's been a long time since i was here just needed some input please from all loving parents...would you rather your daughter be:

1. married to a guy who's not really that great (history of having lotsa women, irresponsible) but seems to love/like your daughter.

2. be gay (with woman who is quite good, responsible and everything but - a woman...).

RescueMe

I would want my child to be happy no matter what that meant. You can't live your child's life for them. You can't make your child live their life how you want them too. You can guide them, show them right from wrong, and encourage them, but you also support them. You hope that you have given your child the tools to do the right things in life, and hope that they live a long and happy life. I have children and they are everything to me. Nothing means more to me. I want them to be happy. I know that they will make mistakes and I will always be there to support them. I hope to never have to bury one of my children.

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Sometimes ya just need a giggle

by beebee in

too many trolls here lately, y'all need a giggle.

i got an email today with a bunch of funny bumper stickers but this one seemed so appropriate for this board.

seemed like it could apply to door knocking and trolling apostate websites.. okay, i thought i could post the image but i can't because i can't remember my password for ftp to my website (don't ask...lol) and i guess only pictures that can be plugged in have to be links to pics (makes sense now that i know it has to be on some web server).

RescueMe

Funny Bumper Stickers

"Very funny, Scotty. Now beam down my clothes."

Friends help you move. Real friends help you move bodies.

The gene pool could use a little chlorine.

Make it idiot proof and someone will make a better idiot.

He who laughs last thinks slowest!

Give me ambiguity or give me something else.

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The Moral Bankruptcy of the Governing Body!!!!!!!!!

by frankiespeakin in

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do you feel the gb is morally bankrupt?

to lie to those that put great trust in them is a sign of moral bankruptcy.

RescueMe

A business entity is not going to put the needs of others first. A business entity will put the business and what is best for the business first and foremost, otherwise the business will die.