Posts by RescueMe

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New here

by Delta20 in

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my name is jaron, 19 years old, i'm from the netherlands, and in about a month i am going to start joining the jw's meetings and i'm kind of looking forward to become a jw.

i can of course tell ya'll my entire spiritual story, but that would take an entire bookwork.

in a nuttshell: my father is an ex-jw, my half-sis (from an earlier marriage from my dads) is one of those "special pioneers", and i am jewish (my mom is jewish).

RescueMe

Delta20
I just wanted to be clear on this point that you stated:

Havent I admitted already that organizations can be flawed and people make mistakes... if I didnt then here it goes: organizations can be flawed and people make mistakes.

You admit that humans make mistakes correct?
Organizations can be flawed correct?

If those "mistakes & flaws" cost human lives, is it worth it to continue to believe what those mistaken humans and flawed organizations are claiming, knowing that they have been wrong before? How is anyone supposed to trust in future claims made, knowing that past claims have been wrong?

If you went to a doctor to diagnose a medical condition and found out later that the diagnosis was wrong and you lost a limb, or an organ, or suffered through a treatment that wasn't needed, but only caused you some discomfort (and you had to pay for this with your own $$$), would you continue to go to that doctor and trust in his judgement? Would you say that well, one mistake was made, they have discovered their error and corrected it, so now I will give them the benefit of the doubt and trust their judgement?
If you found out that your accountant was cheating you, would you continue to use that accountant? Would you allow this accountant to repent, and then say, well they have learned a new way of keeping the books, and now I don't worry about them cheating me any longer? If you caught this accountant cheating you again, would you continue to trust this accountant?
If you found out your car mechanic was wrong, and it cost you your car due to wrong repair would you continue to to reccomend this person to others? Would you take your new car back to this same mechanic? Would you say to yourself, well, maybe they won't be wrong this time, or maybe they have learned something new or realized their error, so perhaps this time it will be okay?

Would you continue on this path of trusting those who have previously been wrong?

If you say no, then why would someone trust their spiritual well being in an organization that has been wrong on so many occasions? Because they are changing their stance? Does that not show that they have been proven wrong, otherwise why the need to change? If they were wrong previously, then what is to say they won't continue to be wrong?

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paradise

by sun_dae in

jw
friends

who do you want to see again if the "earth be restored to a paradise?

"

RescueMe

I should like to see my husband again.

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to all parents..please please answer...

by gotcha in

hello it's been a long time since i was here just needed some input please from all loving parents...would you rather your daughter be:

1. married to a guy who's not really that great (history of having lotsa women, irresponsible) but seems to love/like your daughter.

2. be gay (with woman who is quite good, responsible and everything but - a woman...).

RescueMe

I would want my child to be happy no matter what that meant. You can't live your child's life for them. You can't make your child live their life how you want them too. You can guide them, show them right from wrong, and encourage them, but you also support them. You hope that you have given your child the tools to do the right things in life, and hope that they live a long and happy life. I have children and they are everything to me. Nothing means more to me. I want them to be happy. I know that they will make mistakes and I will always be there to support them. I hope to never have to bury one of my children.

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Sometimes ya just need a giggle

by beebee in

too many trolls here lately, y'all need a giggle.

i got an email today with a bunch of funny bumper stickers but this one seemed so appropriate for this board.

seemed like it could apply to door knocking and trolling apostate websites.. okay, i thought i could post the image but i can't because i can't remember my password for ftp to my website (don't ask...lol) and i guess only pictures that can be plugged in have to be links to pics (makes sense now that i know it has to be on some web server).

RescueMe

Funny Bumper Stickers

"Very funny, Scotty. Now beam down my clothes."

Friends help you move. Real friends help you move bodies.

The gene pool could use a little chlorine.

Make it idiot proof and someone will make a better idiot.

He who laughs last thinks slowest!

Give me ambiguity or give me something else.

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The Moral Bankruptcy of the Governing Body!!!!!!!!!

by frankiespeakin in

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do you feel the gb is morally bankrupt?

to lie to those that put great trust in them is a sign of moral bankruptcy.

RescueMe

A business entity is not going to put the needs of others first. A business entity will put the business and what is best for the business first and foremost, otherwise the business will die.

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I'm thinking of going back

by Smoky in

jw
friends

over the weekend my cousin came to visit from mi, and her husband (elder) started to do his shepperding thing with me (have not attended meetings for over 1 year), and made a compeling argument about how the holy spirit is given by god only if you attend meeting and go to field service...etc, etc.

and the whole "faith and works" issue.

it was a different angle that i have never heard before, about me being a "instrument or tool" of god...blah, blah, blah... anyhow, it got me thinking about going back...especially when things are not going to well for me right now... (he said its because i left jehovah).. how can i convince myself that this is not true?

RescueMe

Smoky:

(he said its because I LEFT Jehovah).

Did you truly leave "Jehovah" or did you simply leave the organization? To me anyhow, that is the difference. Did you abandon your faith and beliefs altogether or simply leave behind a group who uses fear, intimidation and brainwashing techniques to keep you bound to them?

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The Moral Bankruptcy of the Governing Body!!!!!!!!!

by frankiespeakin in

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do you feel the gb is morally bankrupt?

to lie to those that put great trust in them is a sign of moral bankruptcy.

RescueMe

frankiespeakin:What if they could deprogramed from the bible faith as well,,do you think that could happen rather swiftly?

If someone could be "deprogrammed" from the bible faith swiftly, then I don't think that they had a very deep faith in it to begin with. I don't think any kind of deprogramming can take place quickly, just as I don't think that programming people can happen quickly either. There are many factors that have to be considered for either to happen, and it will vary from person to person. People are all different and react to things differently. I think that there are some who would never accept it if the GB came out and stated flat out that they had been deceiving people all along. Some people would say...'ah..I knew it all along', while others may well never accept it, and come up excuses for such a statement, such as 'they were forced to do it for one reason or another'.

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The Moral Bankruptcy of the Governing Body!!!!!!!!!

by frankiespeakin in

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do you feel the gb is morally bankrupt?

to lie to those that put great trust in them is a sign of moral bankruptcy.

RescueMe

Old Soul: I see where my post made it seem like there were only two possibilities

LOL, actually I didn't see it that way at all, I was simply expressing my own thoughts as to what I feel some reasons could be why this happens.

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The Moral Bankruptcy of the Governing Body!!!!!!!!!

by frankiespeakin in

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do you feel the gb is morally bankrupt?

to lie to those that put great trust in them is a sign of moral bankruptcy.

RescueMe

I was speaking of the people. Those who have been deceived. I don't think that all the honest people who truly have faith and beliefs would lose that if they found out for sure that they were being deceived by the GB. I honestly think that those people would keep their faith and beliefs. Sure a lot of things would change in their lives, but I don't believe for one single second that the people would just fall away from their faith.

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The Moral Bankruptcy of the Governing Body!!!!!!!!!

by frankiespeakin in

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do you feel the gb is morally bankrupt?

to lie to those that put great trust in them is a sign of moral bankruptcy.

RescueMe

Old Soul,
Quite honestly I think that there are many reasons for deceiving others. It may well be that some have convinced themselves they are right, so they push aside any doubts as "satan" trying to get his hand into their hearts. Some may well care only of themselves and fear losing the golden egg they have, after all, when you are in such a position of importance, how easy is it to lose oneself to the power that sort of position brings, and many don't want to give that up. Others may well continue with the deceit simply for fear of losing face. It seems to be no different with any large corperation, the top dogs can play a "do as I say, not as I do" attitude, while they hold the reins of power, and honestly people like that won't give up those reins.
I honestly don't think it's just a singular reason for doing this type of thing, but a combination of many things.