Hmmmh, I think 1914 was a turning point in history because of WW I. Some other historical turning points for me are the beginning of the Third Reich (1933), Tschernobyl (1986) or 9/11.
Posts by DHL
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33Apart from JW's, do others still feel 1914 was a turning point in history?
by jwfacts inthe watchtower claims that hisorians say 1914 was when the world changed forever.
as a jw the year 1914 is repeated so endlessly that it seems it must have been the turning point in history and hence the beginning of the last days.
but i have never really heard anyone else ever mention that year, apart from the odd history lesson on ww1.. do people in general ever think of or discuss 1914 as being a year of any significance?.
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Letting Go......
by anewme in"in the inevitable rising and falling, the cycles of expansion and contraction that come as you give birth to yourself, there may be moments to push, to strive toward a spiritual goal.
but more frequently the task is one of leting go, of finding a gracious heart that honors the changes of life.
"in all practices and traditions of freedom, we find the heart's task to be quite simple.
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DHL
Robdar, this was probably a simple misunderstanding. I totally agree with you that letting go (or refusing) existence wouldn't be right. But it can be quite helpful to conciously let go of an unwanted emotion (like anger) in a certain situation.
For example can I become very upset about what somebody says to me. Now I have two possibilities: I can stay in that upset mood and maybe give a heated answer that I would probably regret later on or I can decide to let go of the anger and to calm down. Would you consider anger a blessing emotion or mood that you would love to stay in for as long as possible? In my opinion it's ok to acknowledge being angry but I don't want to stay in that mood forever because it makes me feel bad and unable to enjoy my day the way I want to. Letting go in that sense means the same as saying: "What the hell!"
Of course, the best way of life would be to never feel a desire to get angry or upset about what other people say or do. But I have to admit I am still working on this one!
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slipped through their fingers
by Nadja inlooks like i'm another better-luck-next-time for the jws.
got to chapter 15 in the bible teach book and finally worked up the guts to end my study and tell them goodbye... .
i can't believe i got so close to actually being baptized.
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DHL
Nadja, that was fabulous! You are definitely a smart lady!
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Letting Go......
by anewme in"in the inevitable rising and falling, the cycles of expansion and contraction that come as you give birth to yourself, there may be moments to push, to strive toward a spiritual goal.
but more frequently the task is one of leting go, of finding a gracious heart that honors the changes of life.
"in all practices and traditions of freedom, we find the heart's task to be quite simple.
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DHL
Anewme,
I want to give you a big "Thank you" for the "Letting go"-Post. It was like an answer on a question I asked myself yesterday.
Again, thanks a lot!
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It's judgment day with mum and dad
by sass_my_frass inwell, it's been brewing for a long time and i was getting ready for it, but i've finally gotten the shun-for-life from my folks.
i was going to visit them in a few months and had arranged to see my non-witness grandparents for a few days too, and invited them along.
here's there responese: (first from dad, then from mum)
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DHL
(((((Sass)))))! My heart bleeds for you!
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Serious Conditioning/Brainwashing
by KW13 inthe witnesses we know are obviously brainwashed, but do you think we ever recover from what it did completely?
does every part of jw'ness leave us?.
i have a feeling that even if its not obvious, things from our personal insecurities to how we act and who we are is a result of the org, yes even if your the rebellious type cos then your just running away .
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DHL
Honestly I don't think I will live long enough to overcome every single wrong thing JW-related that was installed in me when I was a child because they are all hidden in the subcontious and have their own time-table to pop up. Only after the discovery of such a flaw you can work on them and finally get rid of them by exchanging them with something better. That's why people who have already left decades ago come by, too, and post here. They have come to recognise their recovery simply isn't complete yet. But I will never give up because of the many little successes along the way and how they enriched and improved my life. In fact over the past years I have changed from being downright miserable to being quite happy. Good reason to move on...
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Could You Forgive the Watchtower?
by Ms. Whip indid that question make you feel anger?
did you automatically say "no way, never?
i've been reading a little bit about what anger, resentment & bitterness does to our health.
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DHL
I am sure that I live to learn so every experience I make, no matter if nice or hurtful, includes a lection for me I want to learn. Seeing it that way I can be thankful even for the most hurtful parts of my past and the people playing a role in it because all of this made of me what I am today.
So in my opinion neither forgiving nor forgetting but being thankful is the best way to handle the past. I love Christina Aguilera's song "Fighter". Here are the lyrics:
When I, thought I knew you
Thinking, that you were true
I guess I, I couldn't trust
'Cause your bluff time is up
'Cause I've had enough
You were, there by my side
Always, down for the ride
But your, joy ride just came down in flames
'Cause your greed sold me out of shame, mmhmm
After all of the stealing and cheating
You probably think that I hold resentment for you
But, uh uh, oh no, you're wrong
'Cause if it wasn't for all that you tried to do
I wouldn't know just how capable I am to pull through
So I wanna say thank you
'Cause it makes me that much stronger
Makes me work a little bit harder
It makes me that much wiser
So thanks for making me a fighter
Made me learn a little bit faster
Made my skin a little bit thicker
Makes me that much smarter
So thanks for making me a fighter
Oh, ohh
Never, saw it coming
All of, your backstabbing
Just so, you could cash in
On a good thing before I realized your game
I heard, you're going around
Playing, the victim now
But don't, even begin
Feeling I'm the one to blame
'Cause you dug your own grave, uh huh
After all of the fights and the lies
Yes you wanted to harm me but that won't work anymore
Uh, no more, oh no, it's over
'Cause if it wasn't for all of your torture
I wouldn't know how to be this way now, and never back down
So I wanna say thank you
'Cause it makes me that much stronger
Makes me work a little bit harder
Makes me that much wiser
So thanks for making me a fighter
Made me learn a little bit faster
Made my skin a little bit thicker
It makes me that much smarter
So thanks for making me a fighter -
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Why some won't leave the Watchtower
by JH inname as many reasons as you can why some won't leave the watchtower organization, even though they know something is wrong.
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DHL
I guess the brain is just like any other muscle. If you don't work out you become lame. Some gave up thinking too long ago so they have no brain muscle tissue left over.
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Do You Think "Apostates" Are All A Bunch of Whiners?
by minimus inevery so often, you'll see a jw come onto these sites and bash us because we're only looking at the negatives regarding the witnesses.
i don't think we are unfair at all.
at least we speak the "truth".
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DHL
I think that people who leave a cult go through a transition. They start with realising they have been lied to and therefore feel like being a victim. This is surely a whining period. I think that's pretty normal. You complain about what you have lost (e.g. many years of your life, higher education, loved ones, ...). Later people tend to decide to stop feeling like victims and instead pretend to be responsible for their life and their happiness. That's when the whining stops.
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Why are we still here ?
by Genesis inhi mighty apostate crew, .
last weekend i was talking with my girlfriend and said to her that i was on an ex-jw forum.
her reaction was : if jws do not bother you anymore why are you still trying get information on them ?
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DHL
I can say I'm free from the watchtower doctrine but I'm not yet totally done with my past and how it sometimes influences my presence. This forum works pretty well in giving me "thinking-kicks" I can work with. Every now and then I read posts and suddenly reach deeper understanding in things that were sublimal before. This can also happen, when I'm about to reply. Sometimes I write something and then I'm totally suprised by what I wrote and how it felt to write it. It's quite amazing. I consider myself very lucky to have found you all! I hope I can be of some help too, sometimes.