i've heard various suggestions of movies to show a dub.. those of us with a spouse / family in the borg might find it pretty useful to rent such movies as just another way of chipping away at the indoctrination, or drawing attention to the wts control tactics.. one movie i saw which was somewhat helpful was one called "equilibrium", which was suggested on this board a while back.
its about a society that has acheived peace and order by requiring everyone to repress their emotions through sedatory drugs.
the good thing about this one was when it showed how everyone was so indoctrinated to follow the directives of the organization in charge, with every person keeping an eye on everyone else.
The fact that it's $1 is pretty good justification to get it.
So MJ, you are going to tell your wife, "hey this is $1, let's watch it"
All these movies may be great eye openers, but you have to GET THEM TO WATCH IT.... which is to say
...it can't suck.
It has to be actually entertaining on some objective level besides it's obvious parallel to the wt world.
i've heard various suggestions of movies to show a dub.. those of us with a spouse / family in the borg might find it pretty useful to rent such movies as just another way of chipping away at the indoctrination, or drawing attention to the wts control tactics.. one movie i saw which was somewhat helpful was one called "equilibrium", which was suggested on this board a while back.
its about a society that has acheived peace and order by requiring everyone to repress their emotions through sedatory drugs.
the good thing about this one was when it showed how everyone was so indoctrinated to follow the directives of the organization in charge, with every person keeping an eye on everyone else.
I heard the village sucked. Animal Farm? WHich version? The 1954 or 1999 version?
Are there any movies that don't suck?
I can't very well say, "hey let's watch this sucky movie... no reason.... and don't mistake my desire to watch a sucky movie that talks about people using fear to control others for a hidden agenda or anything."
I think the best movie choices would have somebody held captive by fear, or their own misperceptions. Only to have their mind opened to realize just how mistaken they are, and how much better it is to live in reality. Another important thing would be movies where some evil force uses similar tactics, like the Orwellian/WT newspeak (example: old light is actually bs)
Nathan Natas mentioned a movie about a bible cult, but it isn't in print anymore so it is like $100 on amazon.
i've heard various suggestions of movies to show a dub.. those of us with a spouse / family in the borg might find it pretty useful to rent such movies as just another way of chipping away at the indoctrination, or drawing attention to the wts control tactics.. one movie i saw which was somewhat helpful was one called "equilibrium", which was suggested on this board a while back.
its about a society that has acheived peace and order by requiring everyone to repress their emotions through sedatory drugs.
the good thing about this one was when it showed how everyone was so indoctrinated to follow the directives of the organization in charge, with every person keeping an eye on everyone else.
"The Day After Tomorrow"
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i've heard various suggestions of movies to show a dub.. those of us with a spouse / family in the borg might find it pretty useful to rent such movies as just another way of chipping away at the indoctrination, or drawing attention to the wts control tactics.. one movie i saw which was somewhat helpful was one called "equilibrium", which was suggested on this board a while back.
its about a society that has acheived peace and order by requiring everyone to repress their emotions through sedatory drugs.
the good thing about this one was when it showed how everyone was so indoctrinated to follow the directives of the organization in charge, with every person keeping an eye on everyone else.
What about 1984? I never saw it. I have a feeling it might suck even if it would be relevant.
i've heard various suggestions of movies to show a dub.. those of us with a spouse / family in the borg might find it pretty useful to rent such movies as just another way of chipping away at the indoctrination, or drawing attention to the wts control tactics.. one movie i saw which was somewhat helpful was one called "equilibrium", which was suggested on this board a while back.
its about a society that has acheived peace and order by requiring everyone to repress their emotions through sedatory drugs.
the good thing about this one was when it showed how everyone was so indoctrinated to follow the directives of the organization in charge, with every person keeping an eye on everyone else.
Matrix?
Oh how I wish my wife would take the blue pill!!!
well, last night i was completely determined to tell my wife just three things i had learned.
i was just going to focus on lies - not scripture, or stupid stuff ... just lies.. 607/1914trinity (trinity brochure lies)cross (reasoning book lies and archeaology).
if she starts to question other stuff, or if she starts in on a debate about the trinity, i was going to shut her down and let her know i am willing to talk to her about that - but not right now.
Oh yeah, we will expect an after action report.
What worked. What didn't. What happened that you didn't expect.
Then we can use your experience if any of us try to use your play.
CYP
well, last night i was completely determined to tell my wife just three things i had learned.
i was just going to focus on lies - not scripture, or stupid stuff ... just lies.. 607/1914trinity (trinity brochure lies)cross (reasoning book lies and archeaology).
if she starts to question other stuff, or if she starts in on a debate about the trinity, i was going to shut her down and let her know i am willing to talk to her about that - but not right now.
I hope that makes sense ...
Yeah it does. Sorry to ride you so hard. I don't know you very well. I know you are a good researcher. It is just that unless you tell me those things, I can't assume that you have thought of them.
Well I can't think of anything else to grill you on. You can prepare and prepare. At some point you just have to throw your hands up and perform! If you did your best, you don't have to worry about the outcome. Because even if you screw it up, you can't blame yourself. You know that you honestly did everything you could. The result was simply outside of your ability to control. No worries!!!
One last note. No plan survives contact with the enemy.
Now go kick some ass!
(Simon told me I couldn't sign off with this anymore, ala Cato the Elder, but............)Censer Watchtower esse delendam (I declare, the watchtower must be destroyed!!)
well, last night i was completely determined to tell my wife just three things i had learned.
i was just going to focus on lies - not scripture, or stupid stuff ... just lies.. 607/1914trinity (trinity brochure lies)cross (reasoning book lies and archeaology).
if she starts to question other stuff, or if she starts in on a debate about the trinity, i was going to shut her down and let her know i am willing to talk to her about that - but not right now.
Ok Ithink.
Sorry to make you explain all that. (your play I mean)
It sounds like you have your character down, your motivation. You invite curiosity, not assaulting her with data.
It sounds like a pretty good play. I can't find any major flaws with it. I would probably only stick to one subject, maybe not hit her with all three.
You wont' end the conversation with her saying, "they're frauds!!!" Your best result will be a slightly troubled, and inquisitive look on her face, and a mumbling of something about needing to look at this some more.
That is probably your number one goal of this play. She wants to look into it more. That is what you are shooting for, to arouse her curiosity.
You probably want to tell her somehow to keep this between you guys. You don't want to have her running to the elders to clear all this up.
What do you think, Ithink?
well, last night i was completely determined to tell my wife just three things i had learned.
i was just going to focus on lies - not scripture, or stupid stuff ... just lies.. 607/1914trinity (trinity brochure lies)cross (reasoning book lies and archeaology).
if she starts to question other stuff, or if she starts in on a debate about the trinity, i was going to shut her down and let her know i am willing to talk to her about that - but not right now.
Ithink,
My question maybe wasn't the one I meant to ask. It is more of like, "what is your focus?" I get the sense that you are in a very tumultuous time in your life, which is understandeable since your belief system has gone through an overhaul. The next logical step seems to be to share that with your wife. Not saying that isn't true by the way. But I think your focus might be on yourself, what you want, what you hope from her. Rather, I think, your focus should be on her during this discussion. What is she feeling, experiencing. How is she reacting.
I guess I am just saying, make this about her, not about you. I think you will have more success if you do that.
Make sense?
I hope I am not sounding like I don't trust you. I know you are a smart guy. Think of this as a peer review. I want to help you capture requirements, and make the best design decisions you can. Hopefully when you compile, we won't have to much debugging to do.
well, last night i was completely determined to tell my wife just three things i had learned.
i was just going to focus on lies - not scripture, or stupid stuff ... just lies.. 607/1914trinity (trinity brochure lies)cross (reasoning book lies and archeaology).
if she starts to question other stuff, or if she starts in on a debate about the trinity, i was going to shut her down and let her know i am willing to talk to her about that - but not right now.
Yeah, definitely keep it friendly, and the mood light.
Maybe just start out with questions. Don't make it a presentation. Maybe only hit one subject to size her up.
Don't think, "that one didn't work, now I will try this one!!!" If the first one didn't raise some genuine concern or inquisitiveness, the other ones won't either methinks.
Ask her what she thinks about this or that. Act like you don't think the org is bs. You have to play a role, that she will find acceptable. Act like you have some tough questions to reconcile. Can she help. WHAT DOES SHE THINK??? Keep coaxing her with that. "I don't care what the org says, what do you think about this?"
