Most of us men appreciate a woman who actually knows what she wants
Did I miss a major news story somewhere? Such a thing exists?
Ok, I have now completely run a very important and potentially helpful thread right into the ditch.
CYP - Casey Jones
i am a male ubm, aka "unbelieving mate", which is hard enough.
i hate seeing my wife, someone who i have the utmost respect for, humiliating herself through her enslavement to this silly man-made publishing company.
i hate seeing her become a drone.
Most of us men appreciate a woman who actually knows what she wants
Did I miss a major news story somewhere? Such a thing exists?
Ok, I have now completely run a very important and potentially helpful thread right into the ditch.
CYP - Casey Jones
i am a male ubm, aka "unbelieving mate", which is hard enough.
i hate seeing my wife, someone who i have the utmost respect for, humiliating herself through her enslavement to this silly man-made publishing company.
i hate seeing her become a drone.
I cant believe it. I always imagined you such a macho beast
Alright now you are making fun.
WHo am I kidding. Even transparant, sarcastic, or insincere efforts to boost the fragile male ego are welcome.
i am a male ubm, aka "unbelieving mate", which is hard enough.
i hate seeing my wife, someone who i have the utmost respect for, humiliating herself through her enslavement to this silly man-made publishing company.
i hate seeing her become a drone.
Kidding about which part? That someone asked if I was gay, or my reaction to it?
Someone did ask if I was gay in a joking way, and my response is completely tongue in cheek.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20050902/cm_csm/ekatrina .
read it and see that the pres actually was on the ball and had the machinery turned on and ready to operate.
if a dummy like clinton (gore or kerry as well) had been in charge, who knows what would have happened!
Shining,
Don't waste your time. You might as well walk into a KH and announce that the JW is a bunch of crap. Nobody will listen, and who the hell cares what they think anyway.
CYP
i am a male ubm, aka "unbelieving mate", which is hard enough.
i hate seeing my wife, someone who i have the utmost respect for, humiliating herself through her enslavement to this silly man-made publishing company.
i hate seeing her become a drone.
So this is the thanks I get for being sensetive. In one of my private correspondence with one of you lovely ladies, I was asked if I was GAY!!!
Of course there is nothing wrong with being gay, but for a hetero guy there are few things more horrifying then having someone wonder if you wouldn't take it up the tailpipe!
It is so difficult dealing with women. We just don't understand you. Constantly our ears ring with shrieks and pleas to be more sensetive. So out of guilt, or maybe even a desire to just shut you up, we take the time. We analyze you, which isn't easy because you have a completely different motivation and several more layers of complexity. But we wade through it all, and somehow on a single subject we are able to reach some level of understanding. We become excited!
Finally we are sensetive. We rush to you thinking our reward will be undying gratitude and cheers, cheers from all the men who just can't believe we pulled it off, book deals, guest appearances, maybe even a cooshy tenure at a fancy university, an action figure? to much to dream for perhaps, but most of all the end to that incessant shrieking and pleading to be more sensetive....
...instead we get called a homo.
i am a male ubm, aka "unbelieving mate", which is hard enough.
i hate seeing my wife, someone who i have the utmost respect for, humiliating herself through her enslavement to this silly man-made publishing company.
i hate seeing her become a drone.
I don't know if I agree with that MJ. True, they have them during the day. But at night you are the spiritual head. You can make decisions on meeting attendance. I make mine optional. I also get to conduct a weekly Bible study.
A female ubm would have to ASK for those priveledges.
i am a male ubm, aka "unbelieving mate", which is hard enough.
i hate seeing my wife, someone who i have the utmost respect for, humiliating herself through her enslavement to this silly man-made publishing company.
i hate seeing her become a drone.
Finger cuffs. Great analogy.
I wish I had found this site in the first three weeks. Actually she was already a witness. She accepted TFDS doctrine (the true definition of a witness) a long time before we were married.
I guess the key to keeping your cool is feeling like you have a plan that you are sure will work. In that way the situation does not seem hopeless for you.
The next thing is you need an outlet for your rage. JWD is a good place to vent. Come here when you want to scream. There are plenty of folks here that would love to hear from you. Give hubby a smile and a kiss. When you scream and yell you validate the belief that all non-dubs are irrational/evil and you feed the jw martyr beast.
There is what you want to do, and what will produce the results you want. One is more important than the other.
CYP
mankind has had a pretty good track record of tackling the problems of life on earth.
different folks have tried different strokes.
you might say that life has been the crucible for testing an idea as to efficacy and the legacy of any idea is how well it worked.. .
My ultimate goal or purpose is a long life well-lived with as much happiness as I can obtain.
And what if belief in a benevolent creator actually adds to that happiness? The existence or non-existence of a creator cannot be proven. The best I think anyone could claim is that their belief in the matter is the more likely explanation.
But let's say there really is no God. All other things being equal, is it necessarily harmful to believe He exists?
Do the costs always outweigh the benefits if a believer is wrong?
I would anticipate that you would think so, since you feel as I do that detachment from reality inevitably leads to misfortune.
mankind has had a pretty good track record of tackling the problems of life on earth.
different folks have tried different strokes.
you might say that life has been the crucible for testing an idea as to efficacy and the legacy of any idea is how well it worked.. .
Another great thread Terry.
I am new to it, so I haven't read through it past your initial post. I have a feeling your message of rationalism vs mysticism got lost in the cultural application you made. You were probably called a racist by someone. You are actually a culturalist. And really, what is wrong with trying to establish a standard, and then compare cultures by that standard? I never understood the "who are we to say our culture is better" mindset. How else are we to improve as a species?
So what is your standard? I think a very universal one is that whatever culture allows the most people to have the greatest control over their own destiny.
But what is the ultimate goal? What is the purpose we serve? Do we only matter within context of our own lives and those we care about? Do we matter perhaps also to the extent that we owe a debt of gratitude (where would that sense of obligation come from) which we can only pay forward, to those who established the rule of rational thought?
Is that why I matter? The enjoyment of myself and those I care about, as well as my position in a long chain of rational thinkers who ultimately made our stay here on this rock more enjoyable for as many of as as possible until the next planet killing meteor or Big-Collapse (opposite of Big Bang)?
i am a male ubm, aka "unbelieving mate", which is hard enough.
i hate seeing my wife, someone who i have the utmost respect for, humiliating herself through her enslavement to this silly man-made publishing company.
i hate seeing her become a drone.
Backatcha WP,
I am planning a victory/deprogramming tour for when my wife da's. I am going to take her on a trip to meet all the friends I have made on this site, and who helped me free her mind, so we can thank you all personally.
So far it looks like I am headed to Arizona, some places in Canada?, North Carolina.... and I am sure I will have to check out all the UK apostates. If for no other reason than I just know they know how to drink!
Here's to the CYP Victory Tour 2006?
Back to business
Any advice for the ladies here WP? I know you have been at it awhile? How do you get past the betrayal, so you can actually help your brainwashed, nitwit of a husband?
CYP