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why do so many religions claim that Jesus is God?

by evergreen in

hi everyone, i have often wondered why so many religions view jesus as being god.

every website i look up claiming to be the christian faith strongly believe that this is the case.. i mean the actual trinity doctrine didnt come about untill about the 3rd or 4th century and was originally the catholic church that brought it about.

although jehovahs witnesses seem to push jesus into the background a lot which is something that has always troubled me.

Check_Your_Premises

I strongly feel that certain scriptures are being used totally out of context when backing up the trinity doctrine.

Have you looked at some of those same verses in a translation besides the NWT?

When I started to dig into this issue, I started to realize just how much the interpretations of these verses were based on the translation. For example in Col 1:16, 17 the NWT puts the [other] in there to include Christ with all other created things. No other translation reads this way. There are many other examples. Reasoning From the Scriptures with JW goes through many of these.

But really, if you don't know Greek, it makes it difficult to know who is giving a more reasonable explanation of the translation.

So then you must then examine the credentials of the folks who did the various translations. The problem is the WT won't disclose who translated the NWT. Ray Franz identified the translators in Crisis of Conscience. To a large extent it was the work of Fred Franz. Fred Franz has absolutely NO credentials as a Greek scholar.

So what [other] translations are more reliable? credible?

CYP

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The bottom line argument a dub must accept to refuse blood

by Check_Your_Premises in

jw
friends

since the entire scriptural, historical, and medical basis for the ban on blood is baseless and incoherent, ultimately it rests on the credibility of the wt as god's organization.. of course we can't rely on that either, because the history of the wt includes a ban on organ transplants and vaccinations.

today they allow those treatments, and therefore by their own admission they incorrectly placed restrictions on them in the past.

unquestionably people died adhering to those restrictions.

Check_Your_Premises

Just bttt so to see if anyone else had anything.

Any wt apologists?

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I have a Question?

by Third Eye Open in

hi everyone, i am supposed to meet with an elder tonight.

i met several times with him before going over questions (my mother thinks he will restore my evil thinking).

anyway we have already gone over all of the basics (1874,1914,607 no answer for this one, the un and everything else).

Check_Your_Premises

There are many religions that have very similar teachings in terms of Christology (who is/was Jesus?) and eschatology (how is the whole end of the world thing going to play out?).

The Christadelphians share all of their views on Jesus, the trinity, hell not being hot, and eternity on paradise earth. They even believed all this stuff in 1919, but for some reason Jesus liked the JW's better because they were offering up BETTER spiritual food... like that he returned in 1874. They are pretty legalistic from what I understand, but they are not a cult as far as I know.

The Worldwide Church of God used to believe almost identically as the JW on all these IMPORTANT teachings. Except their "faithful and discreet slave" was Herbert Armstrong. Except he didn't claim to fulfill TFDS "prophecy". He claimed to be the Elijah who would return that was spoken of in Micah. What makes this group SOOOOO fascinating is that after the death of Armstrong the leadership withdrew their claim of divine appointment, and even came into orthodox teachings. There is a video they put out that tells their story "Called to be Free". Randy sells it at freeminds.org. Also be sure to go to www.wcg.org. You can get a free subscription of The Plain Truth. It is pretty much anti-cult, anti-legalism, anti-religion all the time. It is subtitled, "Christianity Without the Religion". It is real fun to watch the look on the face of your dub loved ones when they read some of the article names.

There are several break off groups of the Worldwide Church of God that still adhere to Armstrongs teachings. The funniest is www.thercg.org and there is one that has a tv show (they must be from God, they have a TV SHOW!!! The JW don't have a tv show!!!) www.tomorrowsworld.org

The Iglesia Ni Cristo is a little known but VERY large group out of the Phillipines. Their beliefs on Christology and eschatology are similar to the JW.

There is a real kooky group that uses God's divine name called the Nation of Yahweh. They are headed up by a guy named Yahweh bin Yahweh who claims to be the messiah. He is in prison right now. They have a REALLY funny tv show. Another sacred name group is the House of Yahweh. They are headed up by a guy who claims that he and his brother are the two prophets spoken of in Revelation.

It is kind of funny. The more a group tries to make themselves out to be God's representative, the more they need to play down Jesus. It is also funny that someone could read the Bible and just decide that some verse is prophesying about them. I mean how could you seperate your desire for that to be true from your ability to honestly interpret such a verse. Silly.

CYP

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The bottom line argument a dub must accept to refuse blood

by Check_Your_Premises in

jw
friends

since the entire scriptural, historical, and medical basis for the ban on blood is baseless and incoherent, ultimately it rests on the credibility of the wt as god's organization.. of course we can't rely on that either, because the history of the wt includes a ban on organ transplants and vaccinations.

today they allow those treatments, and therefore by their own admission they incorrectly placed restrictions on them in the past.

unquestionably people died adhering to those restrictions.

Check_Your_Premises

A brilliant poster started a similar thread here.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/83217/1.ashx

Great minds Dave. Great minds.

CYP

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Welcome back, Terry!

by AuldSoul in

jw
friends

let's all embarrass terry by drawing a lot of attention to his recent return.. welcome back, terry!

good to see you posting again.. respectfully,.

auldsoul

Check_Your_Premises

Yeah, actually I had been thinking for a couple of weeks now, about starting a "Where is Terry thread?"

I started imagining he might have developed a drug habit, taken off on a whirlwind romance with some hot stripper, or maybe that he started believing in God!

Not that I think you likely to do such things, so no offense intended. I guess when we speculate we tend toward the dramatic and spectacular.

I bet my last sentence causes you to reflect on the irony of my making such a statement while simultaneously being a Christian.

Glad to have you back!

CYP

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Hay algun latino o latina aqui? De donde son?

by divejunkie in

jw
friends

pregunto porque no he visto ninguna indicacion de algun latino aca.

mis experiencias en las congregaciones han sido siempre en congregaciones latinas o de idioma espanol en eu.

alguien tiene la misma situacion?

Check_Your_Premises

Hola! Bienvenido.

Mi Espanol es muy mal pero tengo mucho felicidad prques estas aqui.

Son muchas personas en la JW, y los necessitan ayuda y amigos despues de saliendo la JW.

Necessitamos una jwd para los hispanicos tambien!

CYP

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The bottom line argument a dub must accept to refuse blood

by Check_Your_Premises in

jw
friends

since the entire scriptural, historical, and medical basis for the ban on blood is baseless and incoherent, ultimately it rests on the credibility of the wt as god's organization.. of course we can't rely on that either, because the history of the wt includes a ban on organ transplants and vaccinations.

today they allow those treatments, and therefore by their own admission they incorrectly placed restrictions on them in the past.

unquestionably people died adhering to those restrictions.

Check_Your_Premises

Since the entire scriptural, historical, and medical basis for the ban on blood is baseless and incoherent, ultimately it rests on the credibility of the WT as God's organization.

Of course we can't rely on that either, because the history of the WT includes a ban on organ transplants and vaccinations. Today they allow those treatments, and therefore by their own admission they incorrectly placed restrictions on them in the past. Unquestionably people died adhering to those restrictions.

So if you ask a dub, "suppose it is ok to accept blood/organ transplant/vaccination in God's eyes. Is it then wrong for you to accept it even though the the org says it is not?" I am sure many of us have asked this question and received the following terrifying response:

"Even if the JW are wrong in their interpretation, they are God's organization. God would still expect me to follow His arrangement and obey His organization. We all die. But only those who submit to His arrangement can expect a hope of resurrection."

So my question from a scriptural standpoint is this:

Has God EVER given this sort of authority to men?

Has God EVER expected men to obey a human He chose as His special servant even when they acted outside His authority? when they acted in error? or against the conscience of the people His special servant is given authority over? to the point of sacrificing themselves or their children?

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Trinity ?'s

by sinis in

can someone please explain the trinity in an easy to understand format?

i have been doing a lot of reading, dr. mantey,etc.

and am starting to lean towards that.

Check_Your_Premises

http://www.biblicalanswers.net/docs/ev04287_ets2004.pdf

This one is a pretty good breakdown of how to explain the trinity to a jw. I think it might answer some of your questions as well.

CYP

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Hey UBM's - good things about being in a commited relationship with a JW??

by Why Georgia in

in the spirit of jgnat's poll's.... let's name some good things about being in a commited relationship/marriage with a jw who actually follows wts doctrines.

i know there will probably be a lot of sarcastic responses.

i'll start.. because of my husbands faith and actual belief in the way he was raised - i know he won't cheat on me or be out in the bars.

Check_Your_Premises

I posted that one and ran like a sissy. I peaked in expecting a big mob of angry ubm ladies. At least Carla called me on it.

CYP

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Hey UBM's - good things about being in a commited relationship with a JW??

by Why Georgia in

in the spirit of jgnat's poll's.... let's name some good things about being in a commited relationship/marriage with a jw who actually follows wts doctrines.

i know there will probably be a lot of sarcastic responses.

i'll start.. because of my husbands faith and actual belief in the way he was raised - i know he won't cheat on me or be out in the bars.

Check_Your_Premises

The man is the head of the household!!!

Check_Your_Premises

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