http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060323/ap_on_re_us/missing_girl_found
the news story quotes someone who says "nobody will believe she was held against her will".
this is because she was an adult, and was free to leave the house at certain times.
you can't make it without me,
We need spirtual food from the Faithful and Discreet Slave. Where else can we go?
nobody else will want you,
Other churches only care about money (not about you!!!). They don't try to enforce any rules because they know people won't show up to give money. Only JW have love among themselves.
I will kill you if you leave me...
Only Jehovah's people have a hope of surviving Armageddon...
Sounds like a wife beater to me.
CYP
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060323/ap_on_re_us/missing_girl_found
the news story quotes someone who says "nobody will believe she was held against her will".
this is because she was an adult, and was free to leave the house at certain times.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060323/ap_on_re_us/missing_girl_found
The news story quotes someone who says "nobody will believe she was held against her will". This is because she was an adult, and was free to leave the house at certain times. People with no experience with mind control will assume she didn't want to leave. They will assume that if she wanted to leave she would have.
All it took was for a man at a convenience store to talk to her. It broke the spell for her.
But alas, after many precious years lost, never to be regained.
A happy ending I guess. As happy as it could be.
How would you like to have to put that life back together.
CYP
...exact moment when you knew the jw didn't have the truth?.
i have been rivited by the stories of all the epiphanies that took place.. but actually i think there was a great deal that must have taken place to allow that moment.. what gave you the confidence in yourself to trust your own thoughts?
what personal growth took place?
These are all pretty good responses. I have thought about this question some more.
What I am really asking are what were the external influences? That led to questioning, but also gave you the confidence to use your own mind to question the org.
Many have answered with those already.
Thanks so much for the responses and glimpse into your experiences.
CYP
...exact moment when you knew the jw didn't have the truth?.
i have been rivited by the stories of all the epiphanies that took place.. but actually i think there was a great deal that must have taken place to allow that moment.. what gave you the confidence in yourself to trust your own thoughts?
what personal growth took place?
...exact moment when you knew the JW didn't have the truth?
I have been rivited by the stories of all the epiphanies that took place.
But actually I think there was a great deal that must have taken place to ALLOW that moment.
What gave you the confidence in yourself to trust your own thoughts? What personal growth took place? What environment led to the awakening of your authentic self?
CYP
would some one please send a reply to me with raymond franz email address.
i would like to email him to think him so much for his books.
CYP, that's his email persona. In person, he has a very dry, witty sense of humor.
Fair enough Blondie. Thanks for the clarification. I wouldn't want to seem to imply that if someone doesn't think I am funny they don't have a sense of humor...
I just remember another guy who said that he referred to Ray as "the king of the apostates" or something like that, and Ray didn't seem to get the humor or it.
CYP
would some one please send a reply to me with raymond franz email address.
i would like to email him to think him so much for his books.
A little advice in emailing Ray:
He is REALLY old and not to healthy.
He is VERY verbose and thorough in his replies. (maybe cut him some slack and tell him he doesn't have to reply?)
He is completely devoid of a sense of humor.
He in no way wishes to be affiliated with dogmatic orthodox Christian forces or people who are very bitter in their criticism of the WT.
CYP
the whole blood issue has been a topic of conversation with my jw loved ones.. one thing they always fall back to is "this life doesn't matter compared to our eternal salvation".
see, they think that by disobeying the bible on the issue of blood, risks their eternal life.
if they are forced to concede that the bible doesn't exactly say that, then they fall back to the need to choose martyrdom before disobeying the organization.
What about in the old testament?
Weren't some of the prophets killed for being the "bearer of bad news"?
the whole blood issue has been a topic of conversation with my jw loved ones.. one thing they always fall back to is "this life doesn't matter compared to our eternal salvation".
see, they think that by disobeying the bible on the issue of blood, risks their eternal life.
if they are forced to concede that the bible doesn't exactly say that, then they fall back to the need to choose martyrdom before disobeying the organization.
For example, are there any cases where the a Jew was to choose death before running contrary to the Mosaic law?
the whole blood issue has been a topic of conversation with my jw loved ones.. one thing they always fall back to is "this life doesn't matter compared to our eternal salvation".
see, they think that by disobeying the bible on the issue of blood, risks their eternal life.
if they are forced to concede that the bible doesn't exactly say that, then they fall back to the need to choose martyrdom before disobeying the organization.
The whole blood issue has been a topic of conversation with my jw loved ones.
One thing they always fall back to is "this life doesn't matter compared to our eternal salvation". See, they think that by disobeying the Bible on the issue of blood, risks their eternal life. If they are forced to concede that the Bible doesn't exactly say that, then they fall back to the need to choose martyrdom before disobeying the organization. "Shouldn't a Christian be required to die for their faith?" they say.
Scripturally, when is a Christian expected to die (or allow those in their charge to die) in order to uphold their faith?
What examples does the Bible provide?
How do we square those with Jesus' words in Matthew 12, "I want mercy not sacrifice"?
CYP
http://www.xenu.net/archive/infopack/7.htm
