In the beginning it seemed so, but as time went on, the fact that they weren't fulfilling that need, and their lies, failed preditions, lack of love, ect. time to leave...
So you were able to fulfill those needs outside the org?
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"Joined-As-Adult" JW's: What need did the WT fulfill for you?
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were you able to fulfill or remove that need in some way?
did fulfilling that need make it possible or easier for you to exit the wt?
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"Joined-As-Adult" JW's: What need did the WT fulfill for you?
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were you able to fulfill or remove that need in some way?
did fulfilling that need make it possible or easier for you to exit the wt?
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Yes. I accepted that no one or thing has control over life. I must look to myself for strength.
What went into you having this realization? What external forces allowed or influenced it?
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"Joined-As-Adult" JW's: What need did the WT fulfill for you?
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were you able to fulfill or remove that need in some way?
did fulfilling that need make it possible or easier for you to exit the wt?
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You understand my motivation Crumpy.
Much time and talk are spent here discussing certain facts about jw's to bring to light. There is also the school of thought that you have to approach it as a cult/mind control problem. But I think it goes even deeper, and is specific to the individual. I think absolutely NOTHING you can do or say will make a difference to the person if they NEED to believe in the jw.
If you are able to remove the need, or fulfill it in some way, I think then the other approaches become possible.
Before that, no dice.
So as my dear, sweet, and absolutely lovely sister Crumpy pointed out, the question is more aimed at jw's.
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I'm back!!!!
by RichieRich inhello again from sunny north carolina!!!.
our state lotto started today, and i won 15 dollars, and only bought 1 $1 card.
so whoop whoop for gambling.. i was in miami florida last week for the photoshop world conference, but i also got to tour the everglades, where i took some beautiful pictures.
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Hey Richie! Welcome back and congratulations on your little trophy. Oh the scandal that will erupt when they finally catch on to all your activities. Your hall will just never be the same.
Hey Crumpet! Love the new picture. But then again I love all of them. Hope things are well. Glad to see you around.
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"Joined-As-Adult" JW's: What need did the WT fulfill for you?
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were you able to fulfill or remove that need in some way?
did fulfilling that need make it possible or easier for you to exit the wt?
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Were you able to fulfill or remove that need in some way?Did fulfilling that need make it possible or easier for you to exit the wt?
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Has anyone seen these videos? Do they mention jw's specificially?
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http://www.rickross.org/dvds/dvd-inthenameoflove.html
http://www.rickross.org/dvds/dvd-culted.html
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Fine be that way!
I guess I will have to get them and post a review.
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Has anyone seen these videos? Do they mention jw's specificially?
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http://www.rickross.org/dvds/dvd-inthenameoflove.html
http://www.rickross.org/dvds/dvd-culted.html
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Beuller?
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Has anyone seen these videos? Do they mention jw's specificially?
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http://www.rickross.org/dvds/dvd-inthenameoflove.html
http://www.rickross.org/dvds/dvd-culted.html
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Parallels between WT and USSR leaders: Desperately seeking Pestroika!
by Check_Your_Premises inthis occured to me in the car today.. lenin - the true believing idealist who launched the revolution.
the dream was to throw off the shackles of oppression (this system of things) and create a new utopia of a worker's paradise (paradise earth).
ct russel.
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I realized something else in the car today.
A warning for those of us with family in the org when the tower finally does fall...
Cult leaders don't like it when their little world comes crashing down. Rather than face the death of their deluded dreams, rather than accept and admit to the world that they were fools rather than great and annointed men, they end their lives.
And before they do, they attempt to validate their delusions the only way they know how; by demanding from their followers the greatest single act of devotion.
Waco, Jonestown, and even the utter leveling of Germany were all examples of tyrannical cult leaders willing to sacrifice all their followers in order to cling to their megalomania until the last moments of their grotesquely misguided lives.
How will the jw leadership spend the last few moments of their grand delusion? How will they use the sheep to hide from the reality of their sadly misguided folly?
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Parallels between WT and USSR leaders: Desperately seeking Pestroika!
by Check_Your_Premises inthis occured to me in the car today.. lenin - the true believing idealist who launched the revolution.
the dream was to throw off the shackles of oppression (this system of things) and create a new utopia of a worker's paradise (paradise earth).
ct russel.
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This occured to me in the car today.
Lenin - the true believing idealist who launched the revolution. The dream was to throw off the shackles of oppression (this system of things) and create a new utopia of a worker's paradise (paradise earth)
CT Russel
Stalin - The utterly ruthless and cold blooded dictator who took over the party (WTBS) removed all opposition (Bible students) and ruled his communist nation (cult) with an iron fist
Joseph Rutheford
Kruschev - While acknowledging the cruelty of the Stalinist regime, he nevertheless adhered to the communist ideal (faithful and discreet slave)and worked tirelessly (field service) to dominate the globe (worldwide preaching work) with it's vision.
Nathan Knorr
Leon Trotsky - The true believer who had a crisis of conscience (Crisis of Conscience). He still held to the communist ideal (faithful and discreet slave), but he became disillusioned with it's application in Soviet Russia. He fled to Mexico but was hunted down and assasinated (disfellowshipped).
Ray Franz
The three stooges : The Soviet politburo (Governing Body) produced Brezhnev, Andropov, Chernenko to lead the internally crumbling, yet outwardly bold and expansionist worker's paradise. They tried desperately to keep the people ignorant the democratizing and modernizing forces of the global economy. (internet, freedom of information). And of course there were three people who knew all to well that the "evil empire" was going to "crumble under the weight of it's internal contradictions" They knew it was "doomed to the ashheap of history". The last pages of that "sad and bizarre chapter in human history" were being written.
Reagan, Thatcher, and Pope John Paul (JWD, BRCI, Freeminds, SilentLambs, AJWRB) spoke openly, and confronted them with the impossible task of matching the economic and military might (intellectual honesty, free thought, and love of truth) of the free world. Even as their world crumbled around them (law suits, sending people home from Bethel, cutting back on printing, disbanding the Bethel Elders), they kept on as always deluded and tired. They sensed their danger, and moved to supress all dissent (wrote stupid articles against education, having a career, and not listening to new ideas). This only left them more detached, and unable to react to reality.
All the boobs who have been in charge since Freddie Franz
Gorby - Unable to deny reality any longer, a new leader emerged. He tried to hold on to power, while also opening his society to measured freedoms. But freedom long suppressed, once tasted, becomes an insatiable desire. The dam broke. The hardliners tried to force a failed coup. The dream of the workers paradise (paradise earth) was dead.
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Let Freedom Ring
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