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  More US lies to talk up case for war

  by Simon in

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  at it again just as they did with iraq.. no doubt this report was preparation to have something to quote when trying to drum up support for a war.. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/5346524.stm.

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  From my military friends that have come back from both Gulf wars it is common knowledge within the 'boots on the ground' groups of men and women in the Gulf area that most have been shipped to Syria.

  I have heard this but I haven't seen one thread of evidence presented to corroborate it. I have heard it the evidence exists but it has been witheld because the French and Russian governments actually helped the Iraqis remove the stockpiles. Not sure if that passes the sniff test. Why would the Iraqis need their help? Why didn't they find the intact facilities that generated these materials?

  One of the great tragedies of the Iraq War was that it deeply discredited the premise of the U.S. removing dictators who have ambitions of creating such weapons programs. If Iran gets nukes because the U.S. is so discredited, then the Iraq War was clearly a critical strategic failure in the war against Islamo-fascism, whether they produce a stable government or not.

  CYP
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  More US lies to talk up case for war

  by Simon in

  1. social
  2. current

  at it again just as they did with iraq.. no doubt this report was preparation to have something to quote when trying to drum up support for a war.. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/5346524.stm.

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  that is what Bush and Co want

  Why do you suppose that is?

  Halliburton and other companies enriched by the war?

  Repubs do better when there is a perceived external threat to the USA?

  I am just curious. Why do they have to be evil? Why can't they just be mistaken? Or hold a different set of assumptions about how the world works?
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  More US lies to talk up case for war

  by Simon in

  1. social
  2. current

  at it again just as they did with iraq.. no doubt this report was preparation to have something to quote when trying to drum up support for a war.. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/5346524.stm.

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  Check_Your_Premises

  Is it Iran's right to develop it, or the USA's right to block it? And if you can, base your answer according to International Law.

  It is their right to develop a peaceful nuclear program.

  Is their program a cover for a weapons program?

  Should they be allowed to develop a weapons program?

  If you lived in Israel would you allow it?

  Does the idea of the Iranians with a nuclear deterrent bother you at all given their history of extremism, terrorism, local hegemic ambitions, and their close proximity to critical oil fields and shipping lanes?

  Right, wrong, international law? Sounds good and all, but everyone will be sorry if those nuts get nukes.
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  Describing the meetings

  by slimboyfat in

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  has anyone ever written a thick description of a witness meeting?.

  i think i am going to give it a go.

  slim.

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  Check_Your_Premises

  I think I am going to write a response to your thread about writing a description.
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  When a jw has a major fall out within the congregation...

  by Check_Your_Premises in

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  .... how often does it lead to an eventual exit?.

  i know some real nice, joined as adult jw's who have had a major fallout with their cong.. they are model, idealistic jw's.

  but politics between these folks and an elder led to him being summarily stripped of his "privileges".

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  The problems are not unique to a given congregation or a few "bad elders." The problems are systemic.

  I think that is probably one of the biggest thresholds a jw can cross; when they realize that all these examples of bad behaviour are not anomolies but rather representative of fundamental flaws in the system of thought. The most critical flaw I think is to presume to much authority to some people to interfere and control the lives of other ADULTS.

  It can be difficult for a parent living in the home with a child who they have known their whole lives to make proper decisions and judgements. How can an adult make such decisions for another adult in situations they really could only practically know very little about.

  So back to this poor misguided couple. Any ideas, devious or otherwise (ala RR) that might help to worsen their plight (and therefore actually help them to gain some control over their lives).

  I was just going to try to catch one of them alone and ask a few open ended questions. If they jump through, then I will know they are ready.

  CYP
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  When a jw has a major fall out within the congregation...

  by Check_Your_Premises in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  .... how often does it lead to an eventual exit?.

  i know some real nice, joined as adult jw's who have had a major fallout with their cong.. they are model, idealistic jw's.

  but politics between these folks and an elder led to him being summarily stripped of his "privileges".

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  I know most leave cults because they have a bad experience. I am sure many are to timid and brainwashed to allow it to free their mind, but many do.

  I will look for opportunities to nudge them through the door of independant thought. Not so easy. I am a former "difficult study" on the verge of outright "opposing ubm" status... a suspicious character indeed.

  Thanks for the thoughts.

  CYP
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  When a jw has a major fall out within the congregation...

  by Check_Your_Premises in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  .... how often does it lead to an eventual exit?.

  i know some real nice, joined as adult jw's who have had a major fallout with their cong.. they are model, idealistic jw's.

  but politics between these folks and an elder led to him being summarily stripped of his "privileges".

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  .... how often does it lead to an eventual exit?

  I know some real nice, joined as adult jw's who have had a major fallout with their cong.

  They are model, idealistic jw's. But politics between these folks and an elder led to him being summarily stripped of his "privileges". They are really upset, and they are concerned that others view them negatively since they all know he was stripped, but they don't know why. They feel a very large sense of injustice. (Boy you can always count on your local boe to act like creeps can't you?) They have been in about 10 to 15 years. They are both real smart folks.

  I know, everybody is different, so it is just speculation. But in your professional, ex-jw opinions, how likely is it that one or both of these two will start asking all those dangerous questions? How likely is it that they will stay in the org?

  CYP
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  As long as their is new light, there is no false religion

  by JH in

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  if the jw's can receive new light, why can't the catholics or any other religion also receive new light, that would bring them a little bit closer to the truth.. so, if jw's can have new light, why do they call the other religions false?

  aren't they also entitled to receive new light somewhere down the line and maybe become even closer to the truth than the jw's are.. as long as a religion can constantly recieve new light, so can others, which means there is no false religion, just religions changing slowly from one belief to another either very slowly, or a little faster..

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  Check_Your_Premises

  Really every stupid argument they use to defend their faith can be used by someone at the door to defend orthodox Christianity if they wanted to be dishonest or annoying.

  "But the churches use pagan symbols and have false teachings!!!"

  "They are only imperfect men"

  "Wait on Jehovah to clean his organization, we don't abandon it"

  "Where else can we go?"

  "It sounds like you just want to attack God's organization. I shouldn't listen to you or read your material. You sound like an apostate!"

  "My beliefs are just what the Bible says, if you go against them you are going against the Bible"

  and of course "The Bible says the light gets brighter for the righteous one"
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  Need marital advice

  by lost_light06 in

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  i need some serious advice.

  i just found out my wife has been emailing some guy she met at her work.

  she gave him her cell # and said she wanted to get together and connect.

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  Check_Your_Premises

  Again Anewme... I think it depends on the situation. In your situation, I think it would have been completely appropriate.

  I have gone the jealous/possessive route (with a girlfriend) and I came off as this controlling, psycho, smothering, jag-off (which I was).

  Once I wised up and made it clear that I didn't give a damn what she did, that is when I got all sorts of attempts by her at reconciliation.

  If he is a good husband, and she still needs to play these kind of games to feel desireable and wanted then she really isn't worth the effort.

  Well LL you have heard from a couple of schools of thought. I would say both have there points and merits. You need to decide which best applies to your situation.

  Regardless of what you choose, Anewme is right, that little jag-off needs to have his face kicked in.
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  Need marital advice

  by lost_light06 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i need some serious advice.

  i just found out my wife has been emailing some guy she met at her work.

  she gave him her cell # and said she wanted to get together and connect.

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  Check_Your_Premises

  Lets hear from some other ladies! Lets hear their take on this situation. I say sometimes a man needs to take drastic action to show his wife he loves her and does not want to lose her.

  I guess it depends on the situation then Anewme. If his wife is suffering from neglect, and that is why she is looking elsewhere, then your approach is probably the correct one.

  If his wife is certain of his undying love, then it is likely she is looking around because she doesn't respect him. Given that she is in her 20's and hasn't dated alot, she is probably naive enough to be impressed and turned on by some "bad-boy".