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  Movies to make a JW THINK

  by M.J. in

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  i've heard various suggestions of movies to show a dub.. those of us with a spouse / family in the borg might find it pretty useful to rent such movies as just another way of chipping away at the indoctrination, or drawing attention to the wts control tactics.. one movie i saw which was somewhat helpful was one called "equilibrium", which was suggested on this board a while back.

  its about a society that has acheived peace and order by requiring everyone to repress their emotions through sedatory drugs.

  the good thing about this one was when it showed how everyone was so indoctrinated to follow the directives of the organization in charge, with every person keeping an eye on everyone else.

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  Check_Your_Premises

  Matrix?

  Oh how I wish my wife would take the blue pill!!!
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  Continuing to lay the groundwork for my exit.

  by ithinkisee in

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  well, last night i was completely determined to tell my wife just three things i had learned.

  i was just going to focus on lies - not scripture, or stupid stuff ... just lies.. 607/1914trinity (trinity brochure lies)cross (reasoning book lies and archeaology).

  if she starts to question other stuff, or if she starts in on a debate about the trinity, i was going to shut her down and let her know i am willing to talk to her about that - but not right now.

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  Check_Your_Premises

  Oh yeah, we will expect an after action report.

  What worked. What didn't. What happened that you didn't expect.

  Then we can use your experience if any of us try to use your play.

  CYP
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  Continuing to lay the groundwork for my exit.

  by ithinkisee in

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  well, last night i was completely determined to tell my wife just three things i had learned.

  i was just going to focus on lies - not scripture, or stupid stuff ... just lies.. 607/1914trinity (trinity brochure lies)cross (reasoning book lies and archeaology).

  if she starts to question other stuff, or if she starts in on a debate about the trinity, i was going to shut her down and let her know i am willing to talk to her about that - but not right now.

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  Check_Your_Premises

  I hope that makes sense ...

  Yeah it does. Sorry to ride you so hard. I don't know you very well. I know you are a good researcher. It is just that unless you tell me those things, I can't assume that you have thought of them.

  Well I can't think of anything else to grill you on. You can prepare and prepare. At some point you just have to throw your hands up and perform! If you did your best, you don't have to worry about the outcome. Because even if you screw it up, you can't blame yourself. You know that you honestly did everything you could. The result was simply outside of your ability to control. No worries!!!

  One last note. No plan survives contact with the enemy.

  Now go kick some ass!

  (Simon told me I couldn't sign off with this anymore, ala Cato the Elder, but............)Censer Watchtower esse delendam (I declare, the watchtower must be destroyed!!)
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  Continuing to lay the groundwork for my exit.

  by ithinkisee in

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  well, last night i was completely determined to tell my wife just three things i had learned.

  i was just going to focus on lies - not scripture, or stupid stuff ... just lies.. 607/1914trinity (trinity brochure lies)cross (reasoning book lies and archeaology).

  if she starts to question other stuff, or if she starts in on a debate about the trinity, i was going to shut her down and let her know i am willing to talk to her about that - but not right now.

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  Check_Your_Premises

  Ok Ithink.

  Sorry to make you explain all that. (your play I mean)

  It sounds like you have your character down, your motivation. You invite curiosity, not assaulting her with data.

  It sounds like a pretty good play. I can't find any major flaws with it. I would probably only stick to one subject, maybe not hit her with all three.

  You wont' end the conversation with her saying, "they're frauds!!!" Your best result will be a slightly troubled, and inquisitive look on her face, and a mumbling of something about needing to look at this some more.

  That is probably your number one goal of this play. She wants to look into it more. That is what you are shooting for, to arouse her curiosity.

  You probably want to tell her somehow to keep this between you guys. You don't want to have her running to the elders to clear all this up.

  What do you think, Ithink?
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  Continuing to lay the groundwork for my exit.

  by ithinkisee in

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  well, last night i was completely determined to tell my wife just three things i had learned.

  i was just going to focus on lies - not scripture, or stupid stuff ... just lies.. 607/1914trinity (trinity brochure lies)cross (reasoning book lies and archeaology).

  if she starts to question other stuff, or if she starts in on a debate about the trinity, i was going to shut her down and let her know i am willing to talk to her about that - but not right now.

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  Check_Your_Premises

  Ithink,

  My question maybe wasn't the one I meant to ask. It is more of like, "what is your focus?" I get the sense that you are in a very tumultuous time in your life, which is understandeable since your belief system has gone through an overhaul. The next logical step seems to be to share that with your wife. Not saying that isn't true by the way. But I think your focus might be on yourself, what you want, what you hope from her. Rather, I think, your focus should be on her during this discussion. What is she feeling, experiencing. How is she reacting.

  I guess I am just saying, make this about her, not about you. I think you will have more success if you do that.

  Make sense?

  I hope I am not sounding like I don't trust you. I know you are a smart guy. Think of this as a peer review. I want to help you capture requirements, and make the best design decisions you can. Hopefully when you compile, we won't have to much debugging to do.
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  Continuing to lay the groundwork for my exit.

  by ithinkisee in

  1. jw
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  well, last night i was completely determined to tell my wife just three things i had learned.

  i was just going to focus on lies - not scripture, or stupid stuff ... just lies.. 607/1914trinity (trinity brochure lies)cross (reasoning book lies and archeaology).

  if she starts to question other stuff, or if she starts in on a debate about the trinity, i was going to shut her down and let her know i am willing to talk to her about that - but not right now.

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  Check_Your_Premises

  Yeah, definitely keep it friendly, and the mood light.

  Maybe just start out with questions. Don't make it a presentation. Maybe only hit one subject to size her up.

  Don't think, "that one didn't work, now I will try this one!!!" If the first one didn't raise some genuine concern or inquisitiveness, the other ones won't either methinks.

  Ask her what she thinks about this or that. Act like you don't think the org is bs. You have to play a role, that she will find acceptable. Act like you have some tough questions to reconcile. Can she help. WHAT DOES SHE THINK??? Keep coaxing her with that. "I don't care what the org says, what do you think about this?"
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  Continuing to lay the groundwork for my exit.

  by ithinkisee in

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  well, last night i was completely determined to tell my wife just three things i had learned.

  i was just going to focus on lies - not scripture, or stupid stuff ... just lies.. 607/1914trinity (trinity brochure lies)cross (reasoning book lies and archeaology).

  if she starts to question other stuff, or if she starts in on a debate about the trinity, i was going to shut her down and let her know i am willing to talk to her about that - but not right now.

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  Check_Your_Premises

  Ithink,

  This might be a touch personal, but my sense is that you have made up your mind about the org. Now you are taking a "you can join me if you want to attitude" with the Mrs? If she doesn't join you, what is going to happen? Will you leave her?

  Just curious.

  Just trying to be a good counsel to you.
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  Continuing to lay the groundwork for my exit.

  by ithinkisee in

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  well, last night i was completely determined to tell my wife just three things i had learned.

  i was just going to focus on lies - not scripture, or stupid stuff ... just lies.. 607/1914trinity (trinity brochure lies)cross (reasoning book lies and archeaology).

  if she starts to question other stuff, or if she starts in on a debate about the trinity, i was going to shut her down and let her know i am willing to talk to her about that - but not right now.

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  Check_Your_Premises

  My stuff is more user-friendly and less scholarly

  That is what I am looking for. One of my strategeries is to have "the folder". It will be filled with very simple, very easy to follow "sound bytes" and data. It will be left laying around prominently. She is a woman. She will look through it.

  Have you thought of hinting a bit to get an idea how your info will be recieved?

  You know how concerned I am for you. I tried to have the "talk" and it turned into the "incredulous scream". Just don't get your hopes up. If you are anticipating a certain outcome, and you don't get it, or even worse she is completely obtuse, you will get frustrated with her.

  For instance I have yet to get a dub to acknowledge that they can even understand the meaning of this sentence; "If the society asked you to do something that you felt was against God's will, would it be wrong to disobey the org?". That sentence literally does not compute. I might as well say, "does haircut you think dog is jellydonut?"

  I guess I am just saying, expect to be dissappointed and you won't be.

  Peace. Or peice if you prefer?

  CYP
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  Continuing to lay the groundwork for my exit.

  by ithinkisee in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  well, last night i was completely determined to tell my wife just three things i had learned.

  i was just going to focus on lies - not scripture, or stupid stuff ... just lies.. 607/1914trinity (trinity brochure lies)cross (reasoning book lies and archeaology).

  if she starts to question other stuff, or if she starts in on a debate about the trinity, i was going to shut her down and let her know i am willing to talk to her about that - but not right now.

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  Check_Your_Premises

  Good luck, and I would love to get my hands on your research!

  Let me know if that is possible in anyway.

  You know I am pulling for you!

  CYP
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  What Movie?

  by Legolas in

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  ok, god says you can't go to heaven or stay on the earth but he will put you in a movie forever to be who you want to be.ok so what movie do you choose?

  and who are you in the movie?

  just bored so i thought i would ask!

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  Check_Your_Premises

  I would want to be Marlon Brando as Fletcher Christian in Mutiny on the Bounty.

  Man-o-man was that little tahitian bird a looker.

  "no no Flethca"