How about this FL,
think of all the things that "pissed you off" and figure out what it was about them that pissed you off. Was there a common theme? Is there a way the seed could have been planted that would not have pissed you off so much?
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Mrs. ITIS/FreedomLover - How I "saw the light!" ha ha ha
by freedomlover inokay, first thank you to the greastest degree for the warm welcome and insight you all have given itis and me since i've started visiting your very apostate site.
my life as a jw.
it starts with my maternal grandmother.
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Mrs. ITIS/FreedomLover - How I "saw the light!" ha ha ha
by freedomlover inokay, first thank you to the greastest degree for the warm welcome and insight you all have given itis and me since i've started visiting your very apostate site.
my life as a jw.
it starts with my maternal grandmother.
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Great stuff Freedom lover!
Thanks so much for posting this and helping us to understand. You are an interesting specimen for us ubm's.
Could you expand a little more on the things that pissed you off? Why exactly? Why weren't they effective? Is there a way he could have made it more effective?
I told Ithink awhile back, that you guys are on my world victory tour when my wife DA's. See you soon I hope!
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tions about hello everyone, i'm new here,,,
by telltruth inhello everyone.
have recently met someone, amazing person!
however have many questions about jw's and wt.
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Tell truth.
Ok, we get a guy like you about once every two weeks. I would go with the other guys advice. Run. If you marry this woman you will be expected to join, and your children will be expected to join. They are right so there is no compromise. They are right, and you are wrong. Find another woman. They are everywhere. She can't be that hot.
Still here?
1. Don't criticize the org. Only ask questions. Never imply through your questions that you are judging/stating as fact that the org is wrong.
2. Get a copy of Combatting Cult Mind Control and/or Releasing the Bonds by Steven Hassan.
3. Follow the steps in those books and consult this site and others for all things dub.
I can't tell you in words or in a way that you will apprecieate, just how much time and effort the above will take. I am married to a jw. I have to be here. I am trying to save my wife, and my children from a life of slavery and complete loss of self.
I told you we get a guy like you every couple of weeks. All are very enthused and determined when they get here, and oh so in love. They feel so chivalrous and heroic and dream of freeing their lady from the tower. After a couple of weeks, they realize what an incredible amount of bs they are getting themselves into, and they wisely move on. You don't want my life. Trust me.
You want to save someone? Save yourself!
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What's the upcoming special assembly all about?
by M.J. injust wondering.
i'm going to attend and was wondering what to read up on ahead of time.
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Oh man did I need that.
I am glad you liked it. It popped into my head as an afterthought. I figured maybe 3 or 4 at most might think it was funny, but hey, if just one person is amused at the expense of the wt it is worth if for me.
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What's the upcoming special assembly all about?
by M.J. injust wondering.
i'm going to attend and was wondering what to read up on ahead of time.
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I think it is a great idea MJ. I am a big fan of "out spiritualizing" jws.
Awhile back I asked my wife if I could go out in service. At the time she pooh-poohed it. Somehow it came up again. She said, "what are you going to try to teach what you believe?"
I replied, "No, I won't say anything. I don't want to cause trouble, I just wanna check it out. You know, how they do ride-alongs with cops? Same deal."
She told me she asked the PO and he just cracked up. He thought it was so funny. He laughed especially hard when I said I promised not to say anything.
Wait til they get aload of my service bag!!! Think "sassy"!
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What's the upcoming special assembly all about?
by M.J. injust wondering.
i'm going to attend and was wondering what to read up on ahead of time.
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What's the upcoming special assembly all about?
by M.J. injust wondering.
i'm going to attend and was wondering what to read up on ahead of time.
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It is "keep your eye simple" from Matthew 5.
I posted a thread a couple weeks back about them giving my kids notebooks. One new elder wannabe dweeb who just joined our cong printed up bound notes with everyones name and a personalised picture.
Anyway, on that thread someone posted some notes and a schedule for it. He got the stuff from ministryideaz.com.
Just a side note. I notice these days all this personalizing of dub accessories. Recovering of pubilcations. Getting publications bound in different bindings. All these dorky specialized notebooks. Could it be that the drones are craving a sense of uniqueness and identity?
Wait till the gb finds out!!!
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Book Study Wk 17 10/17: pg 122-128: A Dramatic Turn Of Events
by ithinkisee ina dramatic turn of events
17 a dejected darius returned to his palace.
no musicians were brought in before him, for he was in no mood for entertainment.
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Hey MJ, do you have any idea how to go about getting a copy of that goofy charter, that supposedly fulfilled prophecy, that says they worship Jesus?
There has to be a way to do that!
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hello, i'm new :)
by MRSJG innew to the forum, new to the truth.
trying to get a better understanding of what i'm looking for.. .
i'm a young married mother of three beatuiful babies.
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Hear hear soledad!Not trying to be a jerk or anything, but maybe some who don't have alot of experience trying to help a witness open their eyes, should refrain from responding to these types.
All you do is scare them off with your bitter sounding rhetoric.
Not to say that I don't spew some bitter rhetoric!
But when you are talking to someone like this, you really have to tread lightly.
Just think, if we scared her off from her one chance at opening her mind, her kids will spend the next couple decades getting their minds filled with mind control garbage because we saw it as a chance for a cheap wt dig.
These are real people with real lives we are talking to, not objects to take out our frustrations on.
And I am not excluding myself from this. I chased off MrsBee a few weeks back. She is having a baby who will likely waste the first two decades of his life getting filled with phobias, delusions of grandeur and being denied a real chance to get to know Christ. On the off chance her kid ever reads this, in about 20 years he will find me and kick me in the nuts.
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hello, i'm new :)
by MRSJG innew to the forum, new to the truth.
trying to get a better understanding of what i'm looking for.. .
i'm a young married mother of three beatuiful babies.
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Welcome!!!I can say that I have shared your experience. I remember when I first studied so much of it just made sense! It really was interesting.
Also, I couldn't say enough about how impressed I was with how serious everyone took their faith. It really did lend credibility that this was God's one true religion.
But then that last bit, "God's one true religion" got me to thinking about some things.
So I have some questions for you. These are the questions I began to have.
Isn't it amazing how many groups claim they are the "one true religion"!! There are the Mormons, the Way International, the Boston Church of Christ, the Holdemans, The House of Yahweh, The Nation of Yaweh.... The World Wide Church of God used to claim this, now they don't. I could go on and on. I mean, how do you know you have the right group? They all say they are the only ones interpreting the Bible the right way. I guess all those other people in those other groups are just stupid?
What if you change your mind about some of the things you learned were true? Would you decide that this isn't the "one true religion". How come everyone will stop talking to if you decide to disagree later, but they will talk to you when you don't agree with everything now?
If such facts did exist, would you want to know about them? Once you join, why do you have to be closed off to such facts? Is truth afraid of facts or information? I always thought that as long as there was a free exchange of information, the truth would eventually win out.
How is it that so many people can agree complex matters of theology, but you can't get three people to agree on where to eat lunch?
Isn't it funny how if you spend several hours a week with people who all think a certain way, that you start to become more accepting it? If all these folks think something is true, hey, it must be true!
Why do I feel uncomfortable answering a question like, "What group of one true Christians today are worshipping in truth, just like first century Christians?" with a given answer in the paragraph above? Is this what I believe, or am I just reading the answer I am expected to say?
If the guy on the torture stake next to Jesus didn't have to study and join the right group to have salvation, why do I?
How could a person read the bible, and decide that it is pointing to them as having the supreme honor of being the chosen servant of Almighty God, and not have their desire for that honor influence their decision to believe such a thing about themselves?
Is it possible to leave the JW as a matter of Christian conscience? Are all who leave motivated by a desire to sin? Are all how leave unhappy?
If my conscience tells me something different from the JW, do I listen to my conscience or theirs? If I am supposed to listen to their conscience, why did God give me one?
Once I started asking these questions, I started to come up with some better explanations for why things seemed to "make so much sense", and why all of these folks "seemed so dedicated". I didn't like what my conclusions seemed to indicate.
Remember, "you were bought at a price, do not become slaves of men".